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Financial Fair Play

Neymar said:
but when monaco fans see that their rivals have just strengthend in this manner, they will ask why they aren't showing the same ambition, and perhaps bid 45m for vertonghen, hopefully :).

if you look at our team now, its arguably the best its been for decades. but we (the fans) still compare ourselves to the 4 teams above us in the league. and so inevitably, we start thinking that we're lacking squad depth or that we are short of one quality striker like suarez, aguero etc. and we end up spending 25m (and 100k in wages) on a 28 yr old who nobody had heard of 24 months ago.
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Yes, but Daniel Levy as I have said does not listen to such nonsense. He does what the club can afford, as for Monaco, see what I said about Abramovich making a name for himself, same applies here IMO. BTW the Monaco fans voice won't be very loud, most are sitting on the waterfront sipping champagne showing off there sports car.

seriously if you had not heard of Soldado 24 months ago then I doubt you would be thinking we are short of a quality striker. Both scenario's don't correlate. FWIW I have followed him since he was at Madrid.
 
does player value get factored in then? I though UEFA were only concerned with spending

if you move all the spend into a non CL year will UEFA even care
 
galeforce said:
does player value get factored in then? I though UEFA were only concerned with spending

if you move all the spend into a non CL year will UEFA even care
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Assets (players) have a book value and will appear on your accounts.
 
I may be being thick here but I'm trying to understand why Liverpool are considered to have been advantaged as they were not in Europe this year because of ffp and working out how united can exploit that advantage next
 
milo said:
Scars gives a really good explanation of why that wouldn't work on this page

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/319-Financial-Fair-Play/page34
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Scara explains it for transfer fees, not for wages (compared to sign on fees) if I'm reading that correctly.

galeforce said:
does player value get factored in then? I though UEFA were only concerned with spending

if you move all the spend into a non CL year will UEFA even care
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The transfer fee will be spread out over the length of the player's contract.

I see no reason why some of the wages couldn't be changed to a sign on fee paid up front, or perhaps even wages could be different for different seasons with a massive payout in the first season.

However, I think it's fairly common practice is that sign on fees are treated more like loyalty bonuses and paid out as the player is at the club. I think clubs could be causing other problems for themselves down the line by front loading contracts too much.

galeforce said:
I may be being thick here but I'm trying to understand why Liverpool are considered to have been advantaged as they were not in Europe this year because of ffp and working out how united can exploit that advantage next
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There is an advantage, and it probably can be exploited to a point, but particularly for transfer fees only to a point.
 
what I'm thinking is that united could sign ribery for example, he wants 150k a week on a 3 year deal, so united pay him 350k a week in (non ffp) year 1 then only 50k a week in years 2 and 3
 
Three years are considered for FFP. Even if United offloaded expenses for the 2014-15 season or the end of the current one, they would still be counted if United wanted to compete in European competion for the 2016-17 or 2017-18 seasons. United won't get evaluated for FFP next season, but next season will still count for subsequent evaluations.
 
jts1882 said:
Three years are considered for FFP. Even if United offloaded expenses for the 2014-15 season or the end of the current one, they would still be counted if United wanted to compete in European competion for the 2016-17 or 2017-18 seasons. United won't get evaluated for FFP next season, but next season will still count for subsequent evaluations.
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i don't really have a great grasp of ffp regulations, but hasnt it been mentioned that liverpool's finances for the past year won't be considered under ffp because they haven't been in european competition. i think they managed to make something like a 50m loss despite not making massive transfers.
 
jts1882 said:
Three years are considered for FFP. Even if United offloaded expenses for the 2014-15 season or the end of the current one, they would still be counted if United wanted to compete in European competion for the 2016-17 or 2017-18 seasons. United won't get evaluated for FFP next season, but next season will still count for subsequent evaluations.
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And what it will show is that Utd would be heading in the right direction in the eyes of FFP.
 
Superhudd said:
And what it will show is that Utd would be heading in the right direction in the eyes of FFP.
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The losses clubs are allowed to make will get smaller every season, it's just being eased in. Eventually they'll have to break even more or less.
 
jts1882 said:
Three years are considered for FFP. Even if United offloaded expenses for the 2014-15 season or the end of the current one, they would still be counted if United wanted to compete in European competion for the 2016-17 or 2017-18 seasons. United won't get evaluated for FFP next season, but next season will still count for subsequent evaluations.
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Spot on, felt like something was slipping my mind as I was thinking earlier. Didn't think it would be this obvious.

Neymar said:
i don't really have a great grasp of ffp regulations, but hasnt it been mentioned that liverpool's finances for the past year won't be considered under ffp because they haven't been in european competition. i think they managed to make something like a 50m loss despite not making massive transfers.
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I think what's been reported is that they won't have to go through FFP for next season's participation, not that their 3 year financial history won't be looked at in future FFP evaluations.
 
Atletico Madrid have one week to adhere to the spending limits set forth by the Spanish Professional Football League (LFP), or the reigning champions of La Liga could face a range of sanctions from the governing body.

Currently, the club’s first-team expenditures are above the limits permitted by the LFP. Should the Spanish side fail to rectify the issue, they could potentially be banned from making any new signings or face forced relegation (worst-case scenario).

Following the departures of Diego Costa, Filipe Luis and Thiabout Courtois to Chelsea, Los Colchoneros have signed seven players to date during the summer transfer window.

According to the Spanish publication, Marca, Atletico’s spending cap for their squad – calculated based on the idea that it should not exceed 70% of relevant revenue – is approximately £79.5 million. However, some 10% of this is allocated for the academy and bonuses, while a further 10% is reserved for the coaching staff. This leaves the club with roughly £64 million to spend on annual wages, income tax, image rights and costs related to transfer fees.

That is why the Spanish champions will spend the next few days attempting to offload some players in order to reduce the wage bill at the club.

Speculation is defender Toby Alderweireld in on his way out of Vicente Calderon and could be heading to Sevilla in order to replace Federico Fazio, who is bound for Tottenham Hotspur. AS Monaco have also shown an interest in the former product of the Ajax youth academy.

Atletico are also looking at deals which could see Emanuel Insua and/or Cristian Rodriguez leave the club. Insua has been linked with a switch to West Ham United, while Rodriguez had previously been targeted by Sunderland.

Should Atletico complete the transfers of at least two of these players, it would be enough to satisfy LFP’s limits and prevent any sanctions being leveled on the club.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/08/27/atletico-madrid-face-possible-sanctions-for-first-team-expenditures/
 
I read earlier that the spending figures being judged do not include player sales, and not do sales count as income for the calculation either. Atleti's current net spend is -€6m but apparently that is too high? Go figure.
 
https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/506594886637060096

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@sportingintel: Transfer spend ballooning - and there's a wage boom yet to follow. Updated window £ & context: http://tinyurl.com/q2ufyr5
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The Football League has confirmed that QPR could be consigned to the Football Conference in the event of relegation from the top flight if they refuse to pay a huge fine incurred under its financial fair play rules.

QPR are expected to face a fine of up to £40m when they reveal their financial results later this year, covering the season they spent in the Championship following relegation from the Premier League.

The west London club posted record pre-tax losses of £65.4m for the year ending May 2013, when they were relegated from the Premier League. The losses for the last financial year, expected to be made public in December, are also expected to be sizeable.

QPR chairman Tony Fernandes has vowed to fight any fine imposed by the Football League, which would have to go to charity rather than the other clubs under an agreement with the Premier League over its solidarity payments.

But Football League chief executive Shaun Harvey said he was “satisfied” that it would be able to charge QPR for a breach of the rules while they were still part of the competition and that the ultimate sanction would be to refuse re-admission.

“Theoretically, that is the position but I would hope there would be resolution long before that option even had to be considered. The one thing for certain is that most clubs [in the Premier League] will become a Football League club again,” said Harvey, speaking at the Soccerex conference in Manchester.

“Now QPR will of course be hoping it does not happen for some considerable number of seasons. But the chances they will need to return to the Football League fold at some point in the future. Certainly, three of the current 20 clubs that are in the Premier League will be in the Football League next season.”

Clubs that remain within the Football League that breach the rules, introduced in 2012, face a transfer embargo. But those that win promotion are fined instead.

“Will we fight the fine? What do you think? After all we’ve been through, it’s my middle name – ‘Fight It’ Fernandes,” said the QPR chairman after the club won promotion.

“My view has been consistent, that it is very unfair for a club that has been relegated as the wage difference between the Premier League and Championship is impossible. There should be a time period for clubs to rectify their salaries.

“If we were in the Championship in two years with that wage bill it wouldn’t be right. I’m in favour of FFP but it is unfair for a club coming down.”

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore is also on record as saying the rules needed to be amended. But Harvey said there was little chance of them being altered before the FFP declarations had to be made on December 1.

“Unless the 24 clubs vote to change the rules, the rules as they are now will stay in place. I don’t suspect there is any form of rule change that would be considered or brought forward that would see the current circumstances we potentially face changing,” said Harvey.

He said that discussions with the Premier League were ongoing over trying to standardise their financial fair play rules.

“There’s a long-standing discussion that’s taken place between the Football League and the Premier League as to how to try to ensure that we have regulations that actually work for clubs regardless of which division they’re in,” he said.

“We do talk to them periodically about any number of issues and this features – being topical – relatively high on that agenda.”

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/09/queens-park-rangers-football-league-ffp
 
so QPR can now not afford to get relegated, ever, so will spend a ****load every year to make sure they don't yet will not ever be allowed into Europe either
 
Yep, complaining about the wage gap doesn't sit right considering they were spending over 100% of their income on it.
 
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