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Financial Fair Play
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a spur from swansea
Naybet
I be mighty ****ed off arab if the only return i get for all that money is a carling cup trophy in two years........how much am i paying them!!!!
spurs' magna carter
Ronnie Rosenthal
Just look at Real Madrid mate, between 2003 and 2013 they won only four trophies (3 li liga titles 1 copa del rey), a truly poor return when you think about the 100s of millions they spent.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
Ha. You probably right you know. A big fine (that is exempt from the FFP calculations) which doesn't mean squat to these rich clubs is all we'll see. I will stand up in my office and applaud loudly if they impose anything other than a token sanction on these clubs.
No clubs will be kicked out of European competition next season for breaking financial fair play rules, Uefa president Michel Platini said in an interview on Thursday.
Uefa's financial fair play (FFP) policy, designed to stop clubs spending more than they earn, comes into effect next season with a maximum penalty of exclusion from European competition for those failing to comply.
"In effect, the first decisions will be announced at the start of May," Platini told Le Parisien newspaper in an interview published on its website.
"But if you are expecting blood and tears and you will be disappointed. There will be some tough things but no exclusions from European competition.
"I think that significant sanctions will affect the big clubs. We will go through with this."
Emirates Marketing Project and Paris St Germain are understood to be among around 20 clubs dealt with by Uefa's Club Financial Control Board (CFCB) earlier this month, with those facing action to be announced on 5 May.
Qatar-owned PSG are the club under most scrutiny after they wiped out their losses with a huge and back-dated sponsorship deal with the Qatar Tourist Authority.
Platini said he was unsure if that "innovative" sponsorship deal played by the rules.
He added: "I will say simply that Paris St Germain's financial model is distinctive and atypical. That image contract with the QTA, the tourism office of Qatar, is innovative, that's all I can say.
"But is it viable? Is the value of the contract correct? These are questions that the experts must decide."
Emirates Marketing Project, who have lost £149million in the past two seasons, are also at risk but have been working with UEFA to try to comply with the FFP rules.
The CFCB panel will have four options open to them - to dismiss the case; to agree a settlement with the club effectively putting them on probation; to issue a reprimand and fine of up to 100,000 euros; or in serious cases to refer the club to the adjudicatory chamber.
That second disciplinary panel can issue a number of sanctions, from a warning to points deductions, a salary cap for the European squad, withholding revenues or exclusion from European competition.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/24/michel-platini-uefa-champions-league-ffp
Uefa's financial fair play (FFP) policy, designed to stop clubs spending more than they earn, comes into effect next season with a maximum penalty of exclusion from European competition for those failing to comply.
"In effect, the first decisions will be announced at the start of May," Platini told Le Parisien newspaper in an interview published on its website.
"But if you are expecting blood and tears and you will be disappointed. There will be some tough things but no exclusions from European competition.
"I think that significant sanctions will affect the big clubs. We will go through with this."
Emirates Marketing Project and Paris St Germain are understood to be among around 20 clubs dealt with by Uefa's Club Financial Control Board (CFCB) earlier this month, with those facing action to be announced on 5 May.
Qatar-owned PSG are the club under most scrutiny after they wiped out their losses with a huge and back-dated sponsorship deal with the Qatar Tourist Authority.
Platini said he was unsure if that "innovative" sponsorship deal played by the rules.
He added: "I will say simply that Paris St Germain's financial model is distinctive and atypical. That image contract with the QTA, the tourism office of Qatar, is innovative, that's all I can say.
"But is it viable? Is the value of the contract correct? These are questions that the experts must decide."
Emirates Marketing Project, who have lost £149million in the past two seasons, are also at risk but have been working with UEFA to try to comply with the FFP rules.
The CFCB panel will have four options open to them - to dismiss the case; to agree a settlement with the club effectively putting them on probation; to issue a reprimand and fine of up to 100,000 euros; or in serious cases to refer the club to the adjudicatory chamber.
That second disciplinary panel can issue a number of sanctions, from a warning to points deductions, a salary cap for the European squad, withholding revenues or exclusion from European competition.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/24/michel-platini-uefa-champions-league-ffp
Dicko
Pat van den Hauwe
So the first panel cannot really do anything.
The Second panel can issue points deductions?? How would that work if you're in a knock-out competition!? I think most fans think the only real punishment is exclusion from UEFA competitions and we all know that is a last resort that will never happen. PSG and City will get a warning this year, a small fine the next and so on. UEFA wouldn't have the balls to exclude teams
Don't know about PSG, but I'm hearing that our squad size is going to be cut for next year's competition. Fair enough, hopefully now we might play some of our youth players who have performed excellently in academies this season.
I don't know if this punishment is pre- or post-negotiation, however.
I don't know if this punishment is pre- or post-negotiation, however.
Cochise
Steve Carr
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...senal-to-profit-as-City-and-PSG-face-FFP-cuts
From the sounds of it PSG and City are going to have a salary cap placed on their Champs League squad, so they are restricted as to which players they can take along. I'm not sure how it will work just yet, but would assume its a case of the clubs either naming a squad of first teamers of reduced number or naming a squad with a smaller pool of first teamers and then some youth players. I've got no idea about who earns what at these clubs, but a few of those players won't be happy.
From the sounds of it PSG and City are going to have a salary cap placed on their Champs League squad, so they are restricted as to which players they can take along. I'm not sure how it will work just yet, but would assume its a case of the clubs either naming a squad of first teamers of reduced number or naming a squad with a smaller pool of first teamers and then some youth players. I've got no idea about who earns what at these clubs, but a few of those players won't be happy.
Superhudd
Simon Davies
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
And they made there bed... Hopefully with FFP player wages will come down meaning not just those teams will be able to afford these stars.
Are they not a team that runs on non profit basis. It would have helped if you stated there profit and what actual said monies was going into owners pockets. Again you mention Abramovich and value.. Again they made this situation, they are the reason the wages have become disproportionate to club income... it's easy to bring it back, just as easy as it was to create the gap.
i don't, mainly because there are certain teams and a new breed of owners that are in it to make money and not spend money. These owners also want to win things. Take Liverpool as an example, without Liverpool who have a massive overseas following and one of the major reasons why the EPL monies has risen so high. Why would Liverpool want to partake in a league... European league, breakaway league where they have no true chance of winning, the teams spending the most now will only continue in such a league.
As mentioned, the teams spending now will continue to outspend Arsenal.. Liverpool.. Juventus... Both Milan's. The status quo will remain. Why join such a league.
As it happens, the only way forward is wage capping. Where the game becomes about management, financial efficiency, and good old fashioned hard work.. Not who simply spends the most.
And they made there bed... Hopefully with FFP player wages will come down meaning not just those teams will be able to afford these stars.
Are they not a team that runs on non profit basis. It would have helped if you stated there profit and what actual said monies was going into owners pockets. Again you mention Abramovich and value.. Again they made this situation, they are the reason the wages have become disproportionate to club income... it's easy to bring it back, just as easy as it was to create the gap.
i don't, mainly because there are certain teams and a new breed of owners that are in it to make money and not spend money. These owners also want to win things. Take Liverpool as an example, without Liverpool who have a massive overseas following and one of the major reasons why the EPL monies has risen so high. Why would Liverpool want to partake in a league... European league, breakaway league where they have no true chance of winning, the teams spending the most now will only continue in such a league.
As mentioned, the teams spending now will continue to outspend Arsenal.. Liverpool.. Juventus... Both Milan's. The status quo will remain. Why join such a league.
As it happens, the only way forward is wage capping. Where the game becomes about management, financial efficiency, and good old fashioned hard work.. Not who simply spends the most.
Heda SPURSCZ
Steven Caulker
City been fined £50 million and had their squad for next seasons champions league limited to 21. Same as for PSG.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
So FIFA squeeze a 100mil out of the rich kids.
Cochise
Steve Carr
It's tougher than I expected from them, and for any normal club it would mean something. For City and PSG though, it's just another drop in the ocean, fines will hardly hurt them. The only real way to send a message out is to ban them from the competition, or give them a points deduction (starting with -3 or -6 in the group stage would be tough on any team) but then that'll never happen.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Definitely an interesting question, what happens with that money? Will it be added to the payout funds for UEFA competitions? Or? I'm guessing there will be more news on this in the following days.
Actually a harsher penalty than I expected for this. The money isn't exactly spare change and although some of those owners can just absorb that it still adds considerable "overhead" to any cash injection like that. Might make owners less willing to splurge like City and PSG have been doing?
The squad size reduction is considerable too. Will be more difficult to keep players happy if they can't be included in the CL squad, will also make it more difficult to rotate through the season and it puts some restrictions on new signings I think. Might just be me, but I think that's significant and will add both to the strain of playing in Europe and challenge of competing for a CL trophy. Probably more so for City than for PSG.
Heda SPURSCZ
Steven Caulker
never gonna happen. they want big stars (ibrahimovic, Aguero etc.) in Champions League matches.
Heda SPURSCZ
Steven Caulker
+ 8 players must be home grown - their only home grown decent players are Hart and Milner
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Yeah, it's the open squad slots that have been limited. Had they cut the home grown quota with the squad size cut it would have been rather ridiculous.
Their squad this season (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-city-uefa-champions-league-2251355#ixzz30vpse4aM)
Goalkeepers
Joe Hart
Costel Pantilimon
Eirik Holmen Johansen
Defenders
Micah Richards
Vincent Kompany
Pablo Zabaleta
Joleon Lescott
Aleksandar Kolarov
Gaël Clichy
Martín Demichelis
Matija Nastasic
Dedryck Boyata
Midfielders
James Milner
Samir Nasri
Javi García
Jesús Navas
Jack Rodwell
David Silva
Fernandinho
Yaya Touré
Forwards
Álvaro Negredo
Edin Džeko
Sergio Agüero
Stevan Jovetic
24 players in total, so probably 7 home grown players? Rodwell, Milner, Hart, Richards, Lescott, Boyata? And? Or did Johansen and Nastasic count as youth players? Perhaps.
Either way, so many of those home grown players already that they're looking to shift out or that are primarily squad players.
I'm expecting them to go heavily in for some of the home grown players this summer, player like Baines and Barkley at Everton for example. Although this will give them more FFP problems down the line.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
More extravagant ball drawing ceremonies will take up the most of that 100mil and whatever is left will pay for research into the best hotels for fifa delegates while attending ball drawing ceremonies.
You are right. The punishment is a bit harsher than I thought it would be but they have stopped short of really hurting them. This is justa flesh wound. I wonder if the 50mil will be part of future FFP calculations and more importantly is the dodgy sponsorship that is deemed outside of the guidelines now out of the picture for good. That would really screw up City as their match day revenue is not huge.
milo
Jack L. Jones
My understand is that the dodgy sponsorship is what PSG and City have fallen foul with and that UEFA valued them at half what they were officially worth.
The fine will have to be included in next year's accounts, so presumably it will count next year.
UEFA have always said that banning clubs from European competition was the final sanction. I think that this a pretty tough marker and could cause Liverpool to think twice because they would have been in breach this season, if they had qualified for Europe.
jts1882
Dean Richards
As others have said, the £50m is harsher than expected, although it could just be a opening bid to try and get them to settle. We'll see what the final amount is. For these fines to be meaningful, they have to be made in expectation that the next offence carries a harsher penalty with CL exclusion a possibility (perhaps on the third year).
The squad limit is an interesting one. The 25 man squad with eight home-growns was more a sop to player development than a real restriction. An open 17 man roster plus a few of home-growns was plenty given the definition. Only 13 open slots will force some real choices.
I assume the fines will be redistributed as part of the CL pot, but it would be nice if they gave it to charity or grass-roots football.
The squad limit is an interesting one. The 25 man squad with eight home-growns was more a sop to player development than a real restriction. An open 17 man roster plus a few of home-growns was plenty given the definition. Only 13 open slots will force some real choices.
I assume the fines will be redistributed as part of the CL pot, but it would be nice if they gave it to charity or grass-roots football.