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Jimmy McCormick
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
Partly due to how the money from their tv deals are distributed.
Partly due to how the money from their tv deals are distributed.
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Financial Fair Play
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jts1882
Dean Richards
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
I think City have doubled their revenue in two years. While they will get more merit and TV money, plus 20-30m for the CL group phase, most of the increase is their new commercial deals, which are nearly all from related businesses. It will be a real test of the UEFA rules how they deal with this. While clearly the deals are beyond what they would get from neutral sponsors, they can point to similar or higher numbers at United. I doubt UEFA will challenge this.
I think City have doubled their revenue in two years. While they will get more merit and TV money, plus 20-30m for the CL group phase, most of the increase is their new commercial deals, which are nearly all from related businesses. It will be a real test of the UEFA rules how they deal with this. While clearly the deals are beyond what they would get from neutral sponsors, they can point to similar or higher numbers at United. I doubt UEFA will challenge this.
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How can city have the 2nd highest commercial revenue in the league, they aren't too far behind UTD. Joke if they get away with it.
UTD get big number becauses they are a massive pull worldwide, simple as. No way could city generate those levels on the open market.
How can city have the 2nd highest commercial revenue in the league, they aren't too far behind UTD. Joke if they get away with it.
UTD get big number becauses they are a massive pull worldwide, simple as. No way could city generate those levels on the open market.
It's not like we're the only ones to sign big sponsorship deals. Ours aren't even the biggest in the league anymore, I'm sure I remember Liverpool signing a massive one
Have you seen the type of sponsorship deals that United have signed recently? They have something ridiculous like an official paint partner, which is worth a good few million. Every team is pinching pennies.
jts1882
Dean Richards
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
Well with the players they have signed they can justify some increase, but clearly they wouldn't get anything close if their owners family didn't own their main sponsors.
On checking the Deloitte report, their revenue has gone from €102m in 2009 to €153m to €170m to €286m in 2012.
And look at the commercial revenue, only Bayern, the El Firm and United ahead of them:
Well with the players they have signed they can justify some increase, but clearly they wouldn't get anything close if their owners family didn't own their main sponsors.
On checking the Deloitte report, their revenue has gone from €102m in 2009 to €153m to €170m to €286m in 2012.
7.Emirates Marketing Project
2012 Revenue €285.6m (£231.1m)
2011 Revenue €169.6m (£153.2m)
2011 Position (12)
As forecast last year, Emirates Marketing Project enter the Money League top ten for the first time in their history jumping up five places to seventh. Their inaugural participation in the UEFA Champions League and the commencement of the club’s ten-year partnership with Etihad Airways contributed to revenue growth of £77.9m (51%) – the highest of all Money League clubs. On the pitch, City became English League Champions for the first time in 44 years after a dramatic climax to the Premier League season. However, their strong league form did not translate to the European stage and they failed to qualify from the group stages of the UEFA Champions League and were knocked out of the UEFA Europa League at the last 16 stage.
City’s broadcast revenue increased by £19.4m (28%) thanks largely to the receipt of UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League distributions totalling £22.5m (€27.8m). This compares with Europa League distributions in the previous year of £5.5m (€6.1m) and highlights the importance of UEFA Champions League participation to the top Money League clubs. Domestically, City were the recipients of the highest payout of all Premier League clubs receiving £60.6m (€74.9m) in broadcast payments after winning the Premier League, an increase of £5m (€6.1m) from the previous season when they finished in third place.
Despite playing two fewer home matches in 2011/12 than in the previous season matchday revenue grew by £4.2m (16%). The 3% increase in average home league attendance to 47,045 and the quality of match on offer to the fans through UEFA Champions League participation were the major factors in this increase. The club achieved an impressive 99% utilisation of the Etihad Stadium in 2011/12 for league matches. On-pitch success has brought more fans through the turnstiles with the club reporting that attendances have grown by 10% since 2008/09.
Commercial revenue almost doubled to £112.1m (€138.5m). The most significant component of this growth was the commencement of the new partnership with Etihad Airways. As Premier League champions and now regular Champions League participants, the club will undoubtedly look to capitalise commercially on their global status. In 2012/13 they have already agreed a new deal with Hugo Boss and announced a kit deal with Nike from the start of the 2013/14 season. City’s impressive revenue growth has seen them climb the Money League rapidly. In order to have a chance to maintain a top ten place or challenge the top five, the club must strive for improved UEFA Champions League performance and continue to develop their commercial potential.
And look at the commercial revenue, only Bayern, the El Firm and United ahead of them:
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jts1882
Dean Richards
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
An our entry:
An our entry:
13. Tottenham Hotspur
2012 Revenue €178.2m (£144.2m)
2011 Revenue €181m (£163.5m)
2011 Position (11)
Tottenham Hotspur drop two places to 13th position in the Money League, with total revenue decreasing by £19.3m (12%) to £144.2m (€178.2m) in 2011/12. This is primarily down to the failure to qualify for the UEFA Champions League, following their successful debut in the 2010/11 season. Spurs had an ultimately frustrating 2011/12 season, reaching the semi-finals of the FA Cup, and despite finishing in 4th place in the Premier League, missed out on Champions League qualification owing to Chelsea’s triumph in the Champions League final.
Spurs’ broadcast revenue decreased by £21.5m (26%) to £61.6m (€76.1m), as a direct result of missing out on Champions League football. UEFA distributions of €3m (£2.4m) for Spurs’ group stage exit in the UEFA Europa League pale in comparison to the previous season’s €31.1m for their quarter-final run in the Champions League. On the domestic front, Spurs received £57.4m (€70.9m) in broadcast payments from the Premier League, an increase of 8% (£4.3m) from the previous season’s payments as a result of finishing one place higher and having six more live matches broadcast.
Matchday revenue decreased slightly by £2.2m (5%) to £41.1m (€50.8m), in part due to one fewer home game played compared to the 2010/11 season. Capacity constraints at White Hart Lane continue to limit Spurs’ average matchday revenue per home match to £1.6m (€2m).
Spurs continue to impress on the commercial front, with revenue increasing by £4.4m (12%) to £41.5m (€51.3m). 2011/12 was a second season where Spurs incorporated a dual shirt sponsorship set-up, with Aurasma on the shirt front for Premier League matches, and Investec taking the cup (both domestic and European) matches.
Spurs have received planning permission to build a new stadium adjacent to its existing site and this will play a key role in the regeneration of the surrounding Tottenham area. Phase One of the development has started, however it is a major scheme and it will, therefore, be some time before Spurs will be able to compete with the matchday revenues that their North London rivals Arsenal achieve. This highlights the importance of securing Champions League football in their efforts to climb the Money League table in the shorter-term.
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lol you have the 5th highest commerical revenue in the world. It's hardly because of your pull is it? Don't be deluded. It is over £50 more than Chelsea and double Arsenals who have been established CL participants for a good decade or so and as painful as it is are huge all around the world. Its fairly obvious that your vast increase has come about through being sponsored by your own owner for vastly inflated sums.
lol you have the 5th highest commerical revenue in the world. It's hardly because of your pull is it? Don't be deluded. It is over £50 more than Chelsea and double Arsenals who have been established CL participants for a good decade or so and as painful as it is are huge all around the world. Its fairly obvious that your vast increase has come about through being sponsored by your own owner for vastly inflated sums.
I'm not being deluded mate. The records for the next year will see us drop noticeably, as all of the other teams' sponsorship deals come into consideration. I'm just being realistic, no need to be offended by it.
I'm not going to go into defending the sponsorship deals, that argument has been done to complete death.
Very true. In terms of selling merchandise, we are well behind the others. But in terms of filling the current stadium, we're okay. I think the report said we were at 99% capacity for the last season. But if we expand the stadium then the glory hunter problem will become very apparent. That's my biggest worry. It will sound very crass on here, but for me, it's quite a nice problem to have considering what I'm used to as a City fan.
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Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
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More evidence that Real Madrid are indeed the biggest club in the world, not Man United.
I know this is old news, but I still can't figure out how Emirates Marketing Project can pocket so much money from Etihad Airways for naming rights of Eastlands, and yet they are paying very little of that revenue back to the Emirates Marketing Project council, who actually own the stadium.
More evidence that Real Madrid are indeed the biggest club in the world, not Man United.
I know this is old news, but I still can't figure out how Emirates Marketing Project can pocket so much money from Etihad Airways for naming rights of Eastlands, and yet they are paying very little of that revenue back to the Emirates Marketing Project council, who actually own the stadium.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
Quite a lot of people. Especially in England. Just out of curiosity, are you a spurs fan or a Madrid fan because I don't know too many people that support two teams with such passion/bias?
Quite a lot of people. Especially in England. Just out of curiosity, are you a spurs fan or a Madrid fan because I don't know too many people that support two teams with such passion/bias?
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A new survey claims that Manchester United, the 19-time English league champion, has 659 million followers worldwide, double the number of fans the club had in 2007. If accurate, the Red Devils would have twice the supporters of other global soccer brands like Barcelona, Real Madrid and Chelsea, according to analysts.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2012/05/29/manchester-united-claims-to-have-659-million-supporters/
A new survey claims that Manchester United, the 19-time English league champion, has 659 million followers worldwide, double the number of fans the club had in 2007. If accurate, the Red Devils would have twice the supporters of other global soccer brands like Barcelona, Real Madrid and Chelsea, according to analysts.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2012/05/29/manchester-united-claims-to-have-659-million-supporters/
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
Of course there is no way to PROVE that City's deal is WAY over-valued. Your owners have been very clever there, but you know as well as we do that in the real World and having to stick to a market that doesn't include bloated revenues from companies linked to your owners, your commercial revenue would be somewhere around the level of ours. After 10 years of sustained success and the inevitable hoovering up of the glory hunters you could start to approach Chelsea's revenues and perhaps after 20 years of success your level should be that of Liverpool's.
It's pretty obvious to all but the most one-eyed City supporter (perhaps that's you?!?) that Emirates Marketing Project's commercial revenue is nowhere near market rate, to try to pretend otherwise is futile. I think deep down you know that you're simply the kid who has completed his panini football sticker albumn because his Dad bought Panini for him.... But it's fine because you're "doing it in the right way!" :lol:
You really are mate. You talk about Liverpool and Man Utd's deals, but these are two clubs who are hugely bigger than Emirates Marketing Project, hugely famous World wide, with 10 times the number of fans that Emirates Marketing Project have and increased exposure of the same magnitude. This exposure all been achieved due to those two teams being head and shoulders the two most successful English clubs ever.
Of course there is no way to PROVE that City's deal is WAY over-valued. Your owners have been very clever there, but you know as well as we do that in the real World and having to stick to a market that doesn't include bloated revenues from companies linked to your owners, your commercial revenue would be somewhere around the level of ours. After 10 years of sustained success and the inevitable hoovering up of the glory hunters you could start to approach Chelsea's revenues and perhaps after 20 years of success your level should be that of Liverpool's.
It's pretty obvious to all but the most one-eyed City supporter (perhaps that's you?!?) that Emirates Marketing Project's commercial revenue is nowhere near market rate, to try to pretend otherwise is futile. I think deep down you know that you're simply the kid who has completed his panini football sticker albumn because his Dad bought Panini for him.... But it's fine because you're "doing it in the right way!" :lol:
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
I think it depends how you define it. Real Madrid are the club with the highest turnover in the World but that's simply because Spanish clubs negotiate their own TV deals, so Real Madrid and Barcelona take about 80% of the revenue's between them and the others live off the scraps of the remaining 20% We should be afraid because of we were to move to a similar system Man Utd and (to a lesser extent) Liverpool would improve their revenue's massively at the expense of all of the other teams.... oh except Emirates Marketing Project of course as I'm sure their owners would simply purchase their rights for about five times market value via one of their broadcasting companies...
I think it depends how you define it. Real Madrid are the club with the highest turnover in the World but that's simply because Spanish clubs negotiate their own TV deals, so Real Madrid and Barcelona take about 80% of the revenue's between them and the others live off the scraps of the remaining 20% We should be afraid because of we were to move to a similar system Man Utd and (to a lesser extent) Liverpool would improve their revenue's massively at the expense of all of the other teams.... oh except Emirates Marketing Project of course as I'm sure their owners would simply purchase their rights for about five times market value via one of their broadcasting companies...
It really does make me laugh when people but things like "what you say is futile". It's like ending a sentence saying "fact", just because you believe it, doesn't really make it so. There are a number of reasons which make the Etihad sponsorship somewhat more valuable than you are insinuating, and if you had read the Deloitte report, maybe you wouldn't need me to spell it out for you.
The exposure we received last season was actually higher than anyone else's. We received more money per game, as more of our league matches were televised than anyone else's. More people saw our team play, which means more people saw the Etihad sponsor. I'm not sure, but I think basic economics tells us that means the Etihad sponsor is the most valuable in the league. Another interesting point is that we had the most Champions League games televised on terrestrial this year, too. Though this might be influenced more by the calibre of teams we were playing, the point is the same.
Now, I know I'm not stupid. Just because we were on the telly more than United and much more than Liverpool doesn't mean our sponsorships are more valuable. We don't sell anywhere near as many shirts as they do worldwide, and I seriously doubt our success will last long enough to see us match the numbers. But to call me deluded when you're the one who isn't looking at the bigger picture is hypocritical to say the least. The £40m-per-season Etihad deal doesn't just cover shirts and stadium rights. It's the whole area around the stadium too, and the approved developments that are coming in a few years. We are building a completely new stadium for reserves and youth games, completely new training facilities and a new training centre. The only thing not included in the deal is the Sixth Form school the club are building and gifting to the council.
Compare the full-scale of the deal with the rise the investors predict, and I hope you aren't too one-eyed to see we aren't exactly ignoring the FFP rules, like PSG. Our wage bill has been cut, our revenues have risen greatly in all areas, the stadium is getting filled (with some of the cheapest tickets in the league) and general expenditure is dropping. The value of the deal is definitely inflated to an extent. But so is everyone else's. All clubs are finding a way to circumvent FFP regulations. United have an Official Matchday Potato Snack Partner, and an Official Drinking Responsibly in Asia Partner.
That Panini analogy was a good one though, genuinely not heard that one before.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
I don't blame you for defending your team, but it's the Emirates Marketing Project fans that just shrug off the fact that they have money and act like they would have got to where they are today regardless of the money.
I wouldn't even put your club in the top 7 biggest clubs in England, so there's no way you'd be attracting these kind of deals without Sheikh Mansour and his money.
I don't blame you for defending your team, but it's the Emirates Marketing Project fans that just shrug off the fact that they have money and act like they would have got to where they are today regardless of the money.
I wouldn't even put your club in the top 7 biggest clubs in England, so there's no way you'd be attracting these kind of deals without Sheikh Mansour and his money.