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[AuroRaman]

Yeah, my Dad is Iranian...he left in the 60s, his family suffered during the revolution, no-one liked the Shah either though because he was a puppet and a bastard...Mossadegh was the man and as I just mentioned earlier, what was done to him was not only a disgrace, it altered the middle east forever...in a bad way...

My family are of the same view too, even though they did initially prosper during the Shah's rule. He was essentially put in place by the US and Britain, was he not? They tried to make Iran their 'hub', to put it mildly, in the Middle East and of course inevitably failed. My Mum's account is that although Tehran was considered a very cosmopolitan place in this era, there was always an underlying tension and feeling that the Iranian people that were not considered the elite were extremely hard done-by.

Along with this, the country was literally being raped by the West in the form of sanctions, embargos and undercover plots during Mossadegh's time in power. It was very bad for business to have such a humble, loved and fair leader, looking out for his people, in a resource-rich country.

I completely agree with your last sentence. It is why I always ask of people to gain further knowledge when casting judgement about the so-called threat of Iran to the West.

 

[thfcsteff]

My family are of the same view too, even though they did initially prosper during the Shah's rule. He was essentially put in place by the US and Britain, was he not? They tried to make Iran their 'hub', to put it mildly, in the Middle East and of course inevitably failed. My Mum's account is that although Tehran was considered a very cosmopolitan place in this era, there was always an underlying tension and feeling that the Iranian people that were not considered the elite were extremely hard done-by.

Along with this, the country was literally being raped by the West in the form of sanctions, embargos and undercover plots during Mossadegh's time in power. It was very bad for business to have such a humble, loved and fair leader, looking out for his people, in a resource-rich country.

I completely agree with your last sentence. It is why I always ask of people to gain further knowledge when casting judgement about the so-called threat of Iran to the West.

Yes indeed, on the money. There's a brilliant book called All The Shah's Men which explains all. Put it this way...Kermit Roosevelt, yes, son of HIM, was dispatched to basically initiate regime change, get the Shah in and create the CIA as it became known...the British role was huge...basically, Mossadegh said he wanted to stop giving away Iranian oil for cheap, that he wanted to protect hi country's interests. This did not go over well...

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

This forum would be so much better without KD and AS but we can't have it all eh?

Ukip are without doubt the only party we should all be hoping gets in.

Keep hoping mate. It's all you have got.:ross:

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

BTW, this thread should be merged.

 

[Skinhead in a Suit]

Do you guys (and gals) not see a comparison between the UKIP and the Tea Party in the US? For instance...

- a general, populist return to the social values of our parents' era
- more independence from a federal governing body
- a more conservative right-wing approach than either of the two main parties are currently taking
- tough stances on immigration

I think the comparison is blindingly obvious and I'm surprised that no-one has brought this up yet!

 

[Gordinho]

Do you guys (and gals) not see a comparison between the UKIP and the Tea Party in the US? For instance...

- a general, populist return to the social values of our parents' era
- more independence from a federal governing body
- a more conservative right-wing approach than either of the two main parties are currently taking
- tough stances on immigration

I think the comparison is blindingly obvious and I'm surprised that no-one has brought this up yet!

The Tea Party has always been portrayed in the media as a bunch of loons though, how can they be similar?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Keep hoping mate. It's all you have got.:ross:

Why do you always do the over the top smiley thing, it makes me think your quite childish, also it is down to the mods whether this thread gets merged, of which thank the lord you are not one.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

So i did not manage to get there tonight, spent the afternoon with my father instead. Nice day down on hove seafront with lots of ice cream and sun.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

In my opinion they'll go the way of the SDP.

Maybe but the fact that even Millband has come out recently and said that benefits can not be given to people who do not deserve them, including british born people. Shows me that even labour has had to shift to the right on some issues. This is in part because of the conversation that UKIP has started.

I would be happy to switch back to the tories if they elected a proper leader as i told the guy outside my local polling booth last month. UKIP's success for me would be tied in with having a proper leader in charge of the tories, something at grass roots level i think most tories want. I do not actually believe UKIP will win a general election.

Millband has even said he wants to renogiate with the EU our relationship with them and that the EU needs to change, of course i do not believe him i think he would go the same way as kinnock. But the fact that his even talking like this is because of UKIP'S rise in the polls, which shows they are already achieving something.

 

[markysimmo]

 

[Crawley]

So i did not manage to get there tonight, spent the afternoon with my father instead. Nice day down on hove seafront with lots of ice cream and sun.

Sounds like the Hove meeting was disrupted by rent-a-mob.

Once again, the left too keen to believe the "racist" tag that some try to apply to UKIP.

 

[Skinhead in a Suit]

The Tea Party has always been portrayed in the media as a bunch of loons though, how can they be similar?

In my view, both the UKIP and the Tea Party have some good ideas mixed in with certain amount of lunacy. This idea that we can go back to the "good old times" is nonsense IMO. The world around us has changed so much in the last 20/30/40 years that it is impossible to achieve these nostalgic (and that's all they are since there were significant social, economic and political issues at all points of this timeframe) ideals.

 

[Gifter]

We found out that our little daughter has stage 1 ROP on friday, this is not the end of the world for her, but we were distraught (me in particular), just thinking 'why can't she just get past one thing...'.

When I got home I spent some hours reading up about ROP (retinopathy of prematurity) and then went off on tangents and started reading about other parents who had suffered much much worse than us in their plights with extreme premature babies.

After reading these reflections I felt much better, quite ashamed to draw solace from others misfortune (not in a nasty way mind), but better none the less.

Like the Morcheeba song 'It's all part of the process, we all love looking down, all we want is some success, but the chance is never around'.

But I want to keep this side of me in check, I know what living 'in the negative' does to people over the longer term, it is not nice at all.

 

[Superhudd]

I know who I think would do a better job

 

[thfcsteff]

We found out that our little daughter has stage 1 ROP on friday, this is not the end of the world for her, but we were distraught (me in particular), just thinking 'why can't she just get past one thing...'.

When I got home I spent some hours reading up about ROP (retinopathy of prematurity) and then went off on tangents and started reading about other parents who had suffered much much worse than us in their plights with extreme premature babies.

After reading these reflections I felt much better, quite ashamed to draw solace from others misfortune (not in a nasty way mind), but better none the less.

Like the Morcheeba song 'It's all part of the process, we all love looking down, all we want is some success, but the chance is never around'.

But I want to keep this side of me in check, I know what living 'in the negative' does to people over the longer term, it is not nice at all.

Really sorry to read this mate.
Read up on it and it sounds as though you might well get through OK though, stage 1 usually sorts itself, right?
Best of luck...kids are never easy but this sort of stuff is always challenging.

Do not be ashamed. Please mate. It's human, and for those who suffer tragedy, it helps give them the sense that something is coming from their tragedy.

One of my best friends, photog I worked with on assigns for 20 years, lost his son 8 years ago 3 days after he was born. My wife was pregnant with my second (her 1st) Bea, who was born two weeks later. One of the saddest things I have ever had to do (and this includes helping my mum through two cancers and my dad through breakdowns) was be with him that day he dies. He spent much of the day with his camera on, taking photos. He took photos of the baby, and I took photos of him holding the baby. It was the only language he had to start processing his sheer bottomless grief. he and his wife became very active as support-type people for others who suffered unexplainable losses like theirs. They now have a 5 year old thankfully...

Be good to yourself mate...

I think every decent human being on this forum (and it's my opinion we're talking virtually everyone) wishes you the best...

 

[Gifter]

Sorry Steph, I didn't mean it to come over like that. Thanks for the response though.

It's not the end of the world by any means, compared to everything she's gone through it is small fry.

What I just wanted to convey was that there is a coping mechanism involved which leads to looking down (IMO), it is natural and needed, but prone to getting exaggerated and twisted if we make it to central to our being.

She's doing well though, the world would really be in funk if people felt they couldn't ridicule my posts because of where my daughter is at! (as long as they don't ridicule my daughter of course!)

 

[Spursalot]

In my view, both the UKIP and the Tea Party have some good ideas mixed in with certain amount of lunacy. This idea that we can go back to the "good old times" is nonsense IMO. The world around us has changed so much in the last 20/30/40 years that it is impossible to achieve these nostalgic (and that's all they are since there were significant social, economic and political issues at all points of this timeframe) ideals.

That sounds like a description of every political party out there imo..

 

[Skinhead in a Suit]

That sounds like a description of every political party out there imo..

Quite true, but in a relative world, some ideas are more lunatic than others.

 

[Jordinho]

Quite true, but in a relative world, some ideas are more lunatic than others.

Some of it is simply 'tunnel vision'. Some of these politicians and parties are so stuck in their ways and ideas they can't see the obvious flaws.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Why do you always do the over the top smiley thing, it makes me think your quite childish, also it is down to the mods whether this thread gets merged, of which thank the lord you are not one.

Actually I don't. It's only an expression of mirth at some of the deluded types on here. They are a constant source of amusement for me. How anyone with even a passing understanding of the British electoral sytem can believe that UKIP, or any other minor party can aspire to government is beyond me.

I've already detailed the reasons in the UKIP thread, but I'll rehash them here.

1. Funding. Whilst Labour and the Tories are bankrolled to the tune of millions of pounds, what are UKIP relying on?

2. Talent. To be taken seriously as an alternative government, a party needs heavy weight candidates in winnable seats. Who has the UKIP attracted and by this, I mean with a national reputation in law, the unions, industry, the arts, or dare I say it sport?

3. The electoral system. The first past the post system will pretty much result in nothing more than UKIP candidates drawing support away from the Tories in marginal seats. Ironically, the far right supporters of UKIP will be helping re-elect a Labour Government. Something I doubt they would be happy with. Only a preferential voting system will afford them the chance to win seats in any number and even then they would likely need to finish in first or second in the ballot on first preferences. This is not going to happen in many seats in a general election, when contesting against Labour, the Conservatives and Lib-Dems.

4. The established parties will adjust policy wise to wedge the UKIP out. As has happened in the past, the Conservatives may well shift further to the right on some issues. Labour did this during the Thatcher years when Kinnock pretty much trashed all of Labour's old platform. When this occurs, ginger groups like UKIP will lose relevance.

UKIP may well win seats in bi-elections and the like and they may pick up the odd seat in a general election too, but actually forming government? About as likely as Cardiff City winning the Champions League in 2015. Get your bets on lads.,

However, where UKIP can exert some influence is in the instance of a hung parliament. Perhaps they could horse trade support on the floor of the house in return for the government passing some of their legislation.