markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Kinsky for me as we have Vic/Austin who can cover goals
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Europa
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markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
My pal reckons U21 players don't have to be registered as long as we meet the homegrown rules with the 25
Muttley
Neil Ruddock
Only once they've been registered as Spurs players for 2 years. So Gray and Bergval are treated exactly the same as Romero and Son.
Moore and Scarlett, no problems.
This, Vic will be back, Austin has managed, leave the 3 changes for the outfield players, Spence, Tel, Danso
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
All 3 will add some freshness to our EL squad
Plus you also will have Scarlett and Ajayi too maybe
Who do you take out? Dragusin obviously. Werner? Forster given there's three other keepers there?
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
Probably best to see if Tel and Danso look any good...that would be a starting point.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
The way he's been playing, it would be ridiculous if he was left out.
He's probably our best FB.
Yep ..
Stop calling him kinsley. His name is kinkey. Stop fighting it.
Chrissivad
Vedran Corluka
I think what you want to call him, should stay between the 2 of you....
I will call him Kinsky
Lemonade Money
Dimitar Berbatov
Also, another snub is no way to repay his form.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
I think that's right.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
From Ali Gold
That's because UEFA's rules state that no club can have more than 25 players on their A List during the season, of whom at least two must be goalkeepers. The rules then say that "as a minimum, eight of those 25 places are reserved exclusively for 'locally trained players' and no club may have more than four 'association-trained players' listed among those eight places. If a club have fewer than eight locally trained players in their squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly".
'What is a locally-trained player?' you might feel the need to ask. Well, there are two types. One is the 'club-trained players', those who were on a club's books for three entire seasons or 36 months between the ages of 15 and 21.
The other is 'association-trained players', those who were on another club's books in the same association for three entire seasons or 36 months between the ages of 15 and 21. Danso will not fit into that latter category because he left England at the age of 16.
Then there is a B List for players born on, or after, January 1, 2003 and who have been eligible to play for the club for any uninterrupted period of two years since their 15th birthday – or for a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be submitted if they have been registered with the club for the previous two years without interruption. None of Spurs' current crop of teenage signings fit that criteria as they have just joined.
In all, as you can see below, Spurs' Europa League squad is overstuffed in both non-locally trained spots and association trained ones. That they only have two club-trained players in goalkeepers Brandon Austin and Alfie Whiteman when they need to register four, means they have to leave two spots open in what should be a 25-man squad but instead is a 23-man one.
Are you still with us? Of those remaining 21 spots, a maximum of 17 can be non-locally trained - they have 19 - and anything beyond four association trained spots - Spurs have seven - must be absorbed into the main squad number. So in essence Tottenham now have 26 players to fit into 21 spots, keeping aside Austin and Whiteman's protected club-trained category.
Tottenham can make three changes to the previous squad for the knockout rounds and it doesn't matter if the players have played in European competition earlier this season. Djed Spence and Sergio Reguilon were not able to be registered in the league stage due to the number of players being reached and Postecoglou will have to decide if Spence comes in now and if so for who.
Then there are Kinsky, Tel and Danso to fit in, but only three of those four can come into the squad for these stages and that's down to Postecoglou to decide.
Danso will likely replace the unfortunate Radu Dragusin, who is out for the remainder of the season. The Spurs boss might decide that he has enough goalkeepers to go without Kinsky in Europe and he could also perhaps lose Fraser Forster from the squad to fit in Spence for this stage if he trusts Guglielmo Vicario, Austin and Whiteman as enough cover.
With Tel, a decision perhaps would have to be made to include him over someone like Timo Werner, who is unlikely to have a long-term future at this stage but that would be an experienced Champions League winner lost. It could be that Postecoglou loses others to injury before those March games come along which will make the decisions more straight-forward.
European non-locally trained players (19 currently, 17 maximum): Guglielmo Vicario, Antonin Kinsky, Pedro Porro, Kevin Danso, Radu Dragusin, Destiny Udogie, Cristian Romero, Micky van de Ven, Sergio Reguilon, Rodrigo Bentancur, Yves Bissouma, Wilson Odobert, Dejan Kulusevski, Richarlison, Son Heung-min, Timo Werner, Pape Matar Sarr, Lucas Bergvall, Mathys Tel.
Association trained players (7 currently, four can be used in exclusive slots): Dominic Solanke, Fraser Forster, Ben Davies, James Maddison, Brennan Johnson, Djed Spence, Archie Gray
Club trained players (2 currently, four required): Brandon Austin, Alfie Whiteman.
Europa League
Now here's where things get really complicated. Yes, we've been here before with Tottenham, on many occasions, and it will be some time before Spurs sort out their European squad because they need some of the new batch of 18-year-old signings to eventually become club-trained players three years down the line.That's because UEFA's rules state that no club can have more than 25 players on their A List during the season, of whom at least two must be goalkeepers. The rules then say that "as a minimum, eight of those 25 places are reserved exclusively for 'locally trained players' and no club may have more than four 'association-trained players' listed among those eight places. If a club have fewer than eight locally trained players in their squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly".
'What is a locally-trained player?' you might feel the need to ask. Well, there are two types. One is the 'club-trained players', those who were on a club's books for three entire seasons or 36 months between the ages of 15 and 21.
The other is 'association-trained players', those who were on another club's books in the same association for three entire seasons or 36 months between the ages of 15 and 21. Danso will not fit into that latter category because he left England at the age of 16.
Then there is a B List for players born on, or after, January 1, 2003 and who have been eligible to play for the club for any uninterrupted period of two years since their 15th birthday – or for a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be submitted if they have been registered with the club for the previous two years without interruption. None of Spurs' current crop of teenage signings fit that criteria as they have just joined.
In all, as you can see below, Spurs' Europa League squad is overstuffed in both non-locally trained spots and association trained ones. That they only have two club-trained players in goalkeepers Brandon Austin and Alfie Whiteman when they need to register four, means they have to leave two spots open in what should be a 25-man squad but instead is a 23-man one.
Are you still with us? Of those remaining 21 spots, a maximum of 17 can be non-locally trained - they have 19 - and anything beyond four association trained spots - Spurs have seven - must be absorbed into the main squad number. So in essence Tottenham now have 26 players to fit into 21 spots, keeping aside Austin and Whiteman's protected club-trained category.
Tottenham can make three changes to the previous squad for the knockout rounds and it doesn't matter if the players have played in European competition earlier this season. Djed Spence and Sergio Reguilon were not able to be registered in the league stage due to the number of players being reached and Postecoglou will have to decide if Spence comes in now and if so for who.
Then there are Kinsky, Tel and Danso to fit in, but only three of those four can come into the squad for these stages and that's down to Postecoglou to decide.
Danso will likely replace the unfortunate Radu Dragusin, who is out for the remainder of the season. The Spurs boss might decide that he has enough goalkeepers to go without Kinsky in Europe and he could also perhaps lose Fraser Forster from the squad to fit in Spence for this stage if he trusts Guglielmo Vicario, Austin and Whiteman as enough cover.
With Tel, a decision perhaps would have to be made to include him over someone like Timo Werner, who is unlikely to have a long-term future at this stage but that would be an experienced Champions League winner lost. It could be that Postecoglou loses others to injury before those March games come along which will make the decisions more straight-forward.
European non-locally trained players (19 currently, 17 maximum): Guglielmo Vicario, Antonin Kinsky, Pedro Porro, Kevin Danso, Radu Dragusin, Destiny Udogie, Cristian Romero, Micky van de Ven, Sergio Reguilon, Rodrigo Bentancur, Yves Bissouma, Wilson Odobert, Dejan Kulusevski, Richarlison, Son Heung-min, Timo Werner, Pape Matar Sarr, Lucas Bergvall, Mathys Tel.
Association trained players (7 currently, four can be used in exclusive slots): Dominic Solanke, Fraser Forster, Ben Davies, James Maddison, Brennan Johnson, Djed Spence, Archie Gray
Club trained players (2 currently, four required): Brandon Austin, Alfie Whiteman.
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
It’s who you take outLong story short: Dragusin, Werner and possibly Kinsey miss out
For that third spot
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
I agree in principle. But I also think Tel has to be in the EL squad. He's on loan with a "partial option", but he's a fantastic talent. Assuming we want to keep him permanently we can't just leave him out of the EL squad, thus limiting his game time - the very reason he left Bayern in the first place.
Between Kinsky, Spence and Danso imo. Either way a gamble, just a question of where we want to gamble.
Personally I really want Spence in. He's been too good to leave out again. So gamble at CB or GK. Kinsky or Danso. Austin or Gray (edit: Austin or Gray to be "gambled on" as the covering players).
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
Forster?
What the date for the new squad to be submitted....as some of our decisions will be made on whether our injured players are back up and running (literally
)braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Another couple of long term injuries really could change this from a difficult to an easy decision for Ange...Forster?
What the date for the new squad to be submitted....as some of our decisions will be made on whether our injured players are back up and running (literally