Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Fulham in all sorts of bother ,manager don't wanna be there
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Eric Dier
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Fulham in all sorts of bother ,manager don't wanna be there
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
More chance of Hugo Lloris starting up front.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
He would be a disaster in Ange’s high line, where the CBs have to be able to defend the ball over the top into the channels and sticking him in the under 21s would probably lead to him accepting a loan.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
Yep. Our wage bill isn’t an issue, in fact we have the lowest wage to turnover ratio in the whole league and have lost Kane, Moura and Conte who were all on significant wages. We need to stop operating like a small club.
Bishop
Nick Barmby
If Ange gets sacked its probably because Dier is playing.
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Andy Thompson
It is actually rare for players who are told they're not getting a squad number and will be training away from the first team to choose to stick around. There really aren't too many Winston Bogarde's out there. Most footballers actually want to play (especially as not playing at all for a prolonged period tends to drastically reduce the options and value of their next contract).
I'm sure he'd love a move. But he isn't going to take anything. He'll want the right move that is economically good for him.
How many moves have clubs had to subsidise some of the wages? I remember leeds paying half of robbie keanes wages to get him out the door.
Maguire and lloris have both turned down moves.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Yep it all feels abit Maguire this one. He was told in the press by the manager that he needs to prove he is worth a place and stripped of captaincy, bids accepted, ultimately not wanted and he is digging his heels in.
For every deal there are 3 parties (at least). The player. The buying club. The selling club.
All 3 need to be satisfied for the deal to go through. Otherwise it doesn't.
There may be pressure. Not everyone may be happy. But they all need to sign off on it.
4. The agent needs to rip the other 3 off for it to happen too.
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Andy Thompson
Not true at all.
Would the deal go ahead if the agent wasn't getting paid?
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Andy Thompson
Typically the agent is paid by the player. The agent typically carries out his client’s wishes (else the player changes agencies).
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Still not the way to treat a player who has given such service over the many years.
It is also a really poor use of a potential resource (somewhat reminds me of what we did to Danny Rose, a player who could well have had a future working with our youth players).
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
I thought the clubs had to pay agents as well, so they’re basically creaming it off both ends? Wasn’t there a table going round a few years ago showing how much each club was paying out to agents? Ours rocketed up during Jose’s tenure I believe.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Yep exactly that. The fact the are paid % of deals means their skin in the game is important and influential. Football history is littered with agents pushing players into areas which suit them better than the player. Not saying its the only factor but not sure anyone could say they don't hold influence over deals with a straight face TBH
Many times agents are also paid as scouts for clubs or incentivised by clubs to help look for players in certain areas
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Andy Thompson
I find it strange that some think not giving a player a place in the first team squad is a bad way to treat a player, after all it’s not like we wouldn’t let him go to another club where he might get a place in the squad. Dier is unsuited to Postecoglou’s tactics and therefore shouldn’t be part of the squad. There is no room for sentiment simply because the player has been here for a while, he has been well rewarded financially while at Spurs and it doesn’t appear that we’re exactly having to fight off bids for him which is a good indication that he’s not particularly highly rated as a player.
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Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Exactly ...emotions should be reserved for the fans ... the manager should be like a surgeon; precise, accurate and as sharp as a scalpel... show emotions at the end of the season basking in glory! Go on Ange you have my vote for dropping Dier alone on that decision... like dier the person, not so much rated as a player.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Loyalty works two ways though. If a manager behaves like that, then the remaining players don't push through the pain barrier or don't take calls from other clubs who are fishing.