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DubSpur said:
If the standard is expecting the manager to improve the team during their tenure as much as he's improved the overall club during his tenure then Ange fell well short of that.
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Oh yes. I thought our target all these years was winning a trophy. Guess I was wrong.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Interesting video.

On Vinai - am I to assume as he is more involved in day to day operational and football matters, that Levy will be a bit more removed from this? So could see a bit of a change in strategy? Eg we still won’t have the most money to spend in the League, but maybe there’s an approach of taking a calculated risk more at the right time? Will that signal any change there?

On DL - I really do believe he is a good person that wants the best for the club. I genuinely believe so much of the - particularly personal - criticism against him is wide of the mark. I believe him when he says he wants success. He’s said exactly what I’ve been thinking - I want us to realistically have a chance of winning the Premier League. My question is, does he truly understand what it takes to get there? Will the club really do what it takes? Or are we hoping to get lucky?

I think my hope is that Vinai is a weighty enough hire that can actually challenge Levy in the right ways, and mark a meaningful change in our approach to win the league. I understood that his background at Arsenal was more on the commercial side, and Arsenal were hardly bastions of risk taking. So there’s my potential concern. That said, every club is different, every club has its own context and challenges and specific problems to solve. Maybe they are a great combination and Vinai is the right sort of challenge and change to the way we’ve done things.

They are both clearly smart, both want the best, and I hope we really do get to a point of realistically challenging for the league. Fingers crossed.
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Only watched the video yesterday for the first time. I didn't feel like Levy was really stepping back to be chairman of the board and letting his new CEO run the operation. I was hoping that we were moving from the prior model of Levy being chairman and CEO, and he had already shared with us that he had split football operations and commercial into the 2 big buckets. So this model is what I was thinking we would evolve to:

Chairman of the board - chairs the board
CEO - runs the club accountable to the board
Chief Football Officer - runs football ops
Chief Commercial Officer - runs commercial

Now I'm a bit confused as I feel that Levy will still be involved in CEO duties and even down to the football ops activities like transfers. I guess it's all about who has the bandwidth especially now Cullen has left. If Munn has also left then Vinai now picks up all 3 roles with existing staff with Levy involved as and when. Perhaps Fabio becomes the chief football officer.

I guess it's Ok as long as they all divide and conquer and work together as a unit.
 
Lemonade Money said:
22 PL defeats + EL winners + CL is far better than 0 PL defeats + 0 trophies + whatever qualification.
But the latter is what everyone would be happy with from Frank.
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If you listen to the Levy interview it's quite clear that 22 PL defeats was the issue, and quite rightly so.

If we had no defeats last season as you suggest, then we would have likely won the PL.

Frank has been brought in to achieve both.

I can't think of a single other club that has won a Trophy, done the Double or Treble and lost twenty two games. They all had a manager who could cope with the fixture list, and compete in some circumstances on three or four fronts.

Ange couldn't and admitted that in January.
 
billyiddo said:
'A trophy'

I hope our target is much higher than that
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We needed a trophy, any would/should have done for us.

But now it's building to winning more. I have only seen clips and headlines of the latest Levy interview, but it's building to win the PL, the Champions league.

We aren't winning the league with 22 defeats, and other teams easily knowing how to cause us issues.

For me we now build back up the league performances while hopefully challenging for a cup (I still don't mind what one just now)

Let's keep the silverware coming and build on it.
 
Muttley said:
Only watched the video yesterday for the first time. I didn't feel like Levy was really stepping back to be chairman of the board and letting his new CEO run the operation. I was hoping that we were moving from the prior model of Levy being chairman and CEO, and he had already shared with us that he had split football operations and commercial into the 2 big buckets. So this model is what I was thinking we would evolve to:

Chairman of the board - chairs the board
CEO - runs the club accountable to the board
Chief Football Officer - runs football ops
Chief Commercial Officer - runs commercial

Now I'm a bit confused as I feel that Levy will still be involved in CEO duties and even down to the football ops activities like transfers. I guess it's all about who has the bandwidth especially now Cullen has left. If Munn has also left then Vinai now picks up all 3 roles with existing staff with Levy involved as and when. Perhaps Fabio becomes the chief football officer.

I guess it's Ok as long as they all divide and conquer and work together as a unit.
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The board (and by extension the Chairman) in any organization usually at minimum has sign off requirements on strategy and spend (above a certain amount, even when within pre-approved budgets). This is very normal.

What I took from that video is somehow there will be more money (hint of external investment?), Levy has said/written enough over the years to get some take on him, he's said in the past that success on the pitch is important, the piece about all money from non football going back into first team is his normal pitch, the piece re winning the league and CL? that seems new. Surely they both know our current investment model won't make us that competitive, why throw that line out there?

Last piece for me in the video was for those who like the women's team, good to see they warranted a mention and focus in such a shot video.

As always, time will tell.
 
glasgowspur said:
I don't usually watch these kinds of videos, but is levy normally that specific about PL and CL wins?
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He isn't, and that is what is worth discussing

As I said above, he usually does some version of the commercial success of the club is to improve investment in squad, to build on field success, he's never that specific. He literally said EL win is not enough, and we want to win PL/CL. He's by nature a conservative leader.

People are so busy bitching about fluff/PR/Levy still pulls strings that we are missing that conversation.

The only way we are in with any shot at PL/CL is with external investment, is it coming?
 
Raziel said:
He isn't, and that is what is worth discussing

As I said above, he usually does some version of the commercial success of the club is to improve investment in squad, to build on field success, he's never that specific. He literally said EL win is not enough, and we want to win PL/CL. He's by nature a conservative leader.

People are so busy bitching about fluff/PR/Levy still pulls strings that we are missing that conversation.

The only way we are in with any shot at PL/CL is with external investment, is it coming?
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We did get to a final of the CL. So it is not outrageous to want to win it, is it? We've also been in and amongst the top of the league for short spells. Why wouldn't we aspire to winning the PL?

All that has happened here, is Vinai has come in and said: be candid about wanting to compete at the very top. The Spurs management team should have this target. Why wouldn't they?? With a target you can reverse engineer how to get there. Granted it isn't an easy ask - for any team - but we must shoot for the stars. Unlike so many other clubs we now have a foundation to do this. Yes we are still outsiders, but we're better resourced than many fans appreciate (know your place!). We have buying power. We have facilities. We have a credible manager. We have a senior management with huge amounts of experience, but something to prove. Personally I want them shooting for the stars.
 
Raziel said:
He isn't, and that is what is worth discussing

As I said above, he usually does some version of the commercial success of the club is to improve investment in squad, to build on field success, he's never that specific. He literally said EL win is not enough, and we want to win PL/CL. He's by nature a conservative leader.

People are so busy bitching about fluff/PR/Levy still pulls strings that we are missing that conversation.

The only way we are in with any shot at PL/CL is with external investment, is it coming?
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Maybe all the Levy Out stuff has put pressure on the guy and he feels he now needs to say more publicly about how ambitious he/the club is.

All good PR or at least an attempt i guess.
I for one will and have always looked much more at actions than words...so we will now see...
 
glorygloryeze said:
Maybe all the Levy Out stuff has put pressure on the guy and he feels he now needs to say more publicly about how ambitious he/the club is.
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lol - For all I know he could be just doing the "told you so" video after finally winning another trophy. Would he have done it if we had lost the EL final?

As I said above, I would have been happier with more actual content like how the club is organising itself. I'm none the wiser on who does what.
 
SpurMeUp said:
We did get to a final of the CL. So it is not outrageous to want to win it, is it? We've also been in and amongst the top of the league for short spells. Why wouldn't we aspire to winning the PL?

All that has happened here, is Vinai has come in and said: be candid about wanting to compete at the very top. The Spurs management team should have this target. Why wouldn't they?? With a target you can reverse engineer how to get there. Granted it isn't an easy ask - for any team - but we must shoot for the stars. Unlike so many other clubs we now have a foundation to do this. Yes we are still outsiders, but we're better resourced than many fans appreciate (know your place!). We have buying power. We have facilities. We have a credible manager. We have a senior management with huge amounts of experience, but something to prove. Personally I want them shooting for the stars.
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We have been competing, to your point, 2nd, CL finals, etc. even if it isn't broadly acknowledged.

Yes, they should/probably have had targets, that is very different from publicly stating them.

When an organization changes their standard messaging that has been in place for 20+ years, it's worth asking the question, why make that call, why make it now?

Personally I don't think simply having won a cup, hired a new CEO & manager, in and of itself justifies that statement .. (and I get PR pretty well, when I told everyone Levy's lack of backing in the chairman's letter was the end of Ange, I got all the "don't know what I'm talking about" brick)
 
glorygloryeze said:
Maybe all the Levy Out stuff has put pressure on the guy and he feels he now needs to say more publicly about how ambitious he/the club is.

All good PR or at least an attempt i guess.
I for one will and have always looked much more at actions than words...so we will now see...
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I wondered if there wasn’t a sub-message to the Change For Tottenham folks and others calling for Levy/ENIC out, when Levy spoke about having broad shoulders and being tough skinned etc (and Vinai making it more ‘human’ by saying he saw that things did have an effect). I felt it was maybe saying I hear you but I’m not going anywhere.
But I might be reading too much into things, except that I believe every single word in these club interviews are chosen for a reason.
 
Thought it was a good interview, both interviews we have released have been good imo.

Its good to see us getting someone more natural speaking to people who will now be a link between the fans and the club.
I have no issue with Levy, but he isn't a natural people person from the interviews i have seen, an i think that was one part to Vinia's 'we complement each other'
 
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