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SpiderSpurs said:
This is the most 'pro Levy' forum on the internet.
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And?
Genuinely
I don’t see many pro levy people on here
What I see a lot of people who would gladly accept a change if they know what the change is
It’s that simple
You were one who didnt like my comment aligning it to Brexit but it’s the same thing outcome wise…asking for support for something that no one knows the outcome for
For example…
I’d love cheaper tickets. Would save me money
But I also accept that the ticket prices are contributing factor to the clubs income to buy players
Unless someone can show me how the money is being siphoned off elsewhere, I accept that
Many times I think the product doesn’t meat the value being charged but that’s football and it’s not the same as other products
 
Jurgen the German said:
This forum is more pro Levy than other Spurs forums. I wouldn’t necessarily take Twitter as gospel either. But I don’t feel this place reflects real life personally.
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I suppose it depends where you draw the line to be categorized 'pro Levy'. Many are probably neutral, ambivalent...which is of course not a space you're allowed to inhabit on Twitter etc, there's no venn diagram crossover in that world.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I suppose it depends where you draw the line to be categorized 'pro Levy'. Many are probably neutral, ambivalent...which is of course not a space you're allowed to inhabit on Twitter etc, there's no venn diagram crossover in that world.
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I don’t care who the chairman is
I don’t care who the owner is
It’s team even when they own the material elements of it… they will never own emotional attachment
 
I think people confuse not aimlessly screaming into the abyss with being Pro Levy

If the last week is anything to go by, people get so wrapped up in trying to prove how Levy out they are that is bordering embarrassing what they put out. Certified men children
 
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Grays_1890 said:
I don't see that at all TBH mate. I see probably more balance here than extremities I see elsewhere. I voyeur some other forums and many are as extreme as a portion of twitter. I think for every two extreme Levy supporters on here there are two extreme Levy out from thay point it's balanced.

Like Beds says, many praise the good, critic the bad and would take a new Chairman depending how that looked
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From my perspective i just see a lot of (imv) shakey logic and misguided criticism used in a lot of arguments against Levy and so will argue against it as and when I can be bothered. I don't actually consider myself 'Pro Levy', which will probably make a few people laugh, but i wouldn't give him a seconds thought if he wasn't brought up as line of debate so often.
 
billyiddo said:
From my perspective i just see a lot of (imv) shakey logic and misguided criticism used in a lot of arguments against Levy and so will argue against it as and when I can be bothered. I don't actually consider myself 'Pro Levy', which will probably make a few people laugh, but i wouldn't give him a seconds thought if he wasn't brought up as line of debate so often.
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Yeh I would argue this forum from all sides is probably more robust in debate than blind agreement. People hold each other accountable for what's said, including lies or inaccuracies, even if in agreement. That's not a bad thing IMO
 
Raziel said:
Possibly, but it has been around for a very long time (@scaramanga when did this start?), most of us here are older (fudge knows if that means wiser), a lot of actual season ticket holders, or at least people who attend games on a regular (or have) basis, and people who have seen 90's, 80's teams in person, seen the good and the bad.
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First game in late 70s.
Go to games, as I'm a ST holder.
What is the point of this part of your post?

Raziel said:
If your echo chamber is <23's who think City & Chelsea are legitimate top sides, and who are either brought up on AFTV type reactions and/or American, you will likely get a different perspective.
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Echo chamber? This is an echo chamber of Levy folowrs.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
And?
Genuinely
I don’t see many pro levy people on here
What I see a lot of people who would gladly accept a change if they know what the change is
It’s that simple
You were one who didnt like my comment aligning it to Brexit but it’s the same thing outcome wise…asking for support for something that no one knows the outcome for
For example…
I’d love cheaper tickets. Would save me money
But I also accept that the ticket prices are contributing factor to the clubs income to buy players
Unless someone can show me how the money is being siphoned off elsewhere, I accept that
Many times I think the product doesn’t meat the value being charged but that’s football and it’s not the same as other products
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And... As quick I unpressed ignore, I find myself pressing it again.. 👋
 
I guess it's worth remembering that if Spurs make a loss it's because we choose to. It sounds like panic stations but it really isn't.

I mean, what business in any industry gets that choice in the markets they operate in?

I genuinely believe that if Spurs released their out of contract players and reduced the wage bill further, and bought nobody, they are one of the few clubs around that would still get stronger. That would release all the annual net spending back into profit.

It's a mad thing for a 14th place team to say, but it is so, so true.
 
Have the protest march before, have the sit-in after, even the odd Levy Out chant during the game. But the call to sing this every ten minutes is wrong - we need to get a win and the focus of the crowd should be on supporting the team, not watching the clock for the next 10-minute segment so that they can sing their Levy Out songs.
 
Posted by Rachel Martin of The Trust on their Forum, she'd been asked if The Trust Supported CFT...

Our Chair has met with representatives of CfT recently to discuss areas we can agree on, and we also met with them a couple of years ago. We absolutely support the right for peaceful protest and have explained to them that there are different ways to achieve our goals. Their position was not one that our members are aligned with (as discussed at recent AGM) in that a Levy / ENIC Out stance is only any use if there is a more attractive option on the table. There is currently no prospective buyer for the Club so a Levy out position is not only probably unrealistic, but we don't know what we would be comparing it to. Would we want a position that Man U supporters find themselves in, for example?

Our position is to hold the Club to account and ensure that they do better against the five ownership principles:

* Commit to winning: Invest to the level needed to secure league and cup success.
* Attract & retain talent: Build a transfer policy and competitive wages to secure top players.
* Future-proof success: Develop elite youth talent to strengthen the squad and sustain excellence.
* Lead with integrity: Champion ethical standards, strong governance, and financial sustainability—reinvesting in the team while keeping tickets affordable.
* Fans first: Engage, consult, and collaborate with supporters and their representatives to build loyalty, passion, and success on and off the pitch.

There is a lot of common ground in our ownership principles and the items they have raised in their letter, as well as much content of Spurs Charter. So we can much better achieve these goals if we work together, than by criticising and attacking each other. We, and the FAB have direct access to the Board and we intend to capitalise on that to the very best of our ability. Both approaches, working alongside each other, can be powerful and, hopefully, effective.
 
Muttley said:
I guess it's worth remembering that if Spurs make a loss it's because we choose to. It sounds like panic stations but it really isn't.

I mean, what business in any industry gets that choice in the markets they operate in?

I genuinely believe that if Spurs released their out of contract players and reduced the wage bill further, and bought nobody, they are one of the few clubs around that would still get stronger. That would release all the annual net spending back into profit.

It's a mad thing for a 14th place team to say, but it is so, so true.
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Football clubs shouldn’t make money because it’s not logical too
However… clubs also should be positive financially… not loss leaders like so many are run as
 
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