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[Grays_1890]

+What are the objectives/mission, see my earlier response, is this truly for Spurs success or a fan representation group?

What do you bring to the table, another area fan groups tend to fudge up with is, demand, demand, demand, what value/benefit do you bring to the club (and that could be very "soft", more fan satisfaction, better PR, but have something)

Respect, you will get no where with "everyone on the board is a bunch of donkeys"

Yep and with respect to Spider it's a point I keep asking and keep being told I'm trolling.

They are a faceless entity whose credentials to actually impact change can't be quantified with a really generic name which could mean alot of things.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

Firstly I would show transparency on who is running the group and therefore providing credentials on why those in the organising committee should be listened to.

Still with this? You're boring now - you have the info.

I would set ground rules on behaviour and tolerances of the group that provides respect from all that you want to engage with and commands respect when actually being asked to sit round the table. I would make it clear that the group views posts about Levy dying and celebrating would be view dimly.

It is.

I would have a maintained and uniform message thay spreads and includes the major fan groups, I don't like them but THST and FAB need to be bought along and there should be IMO one clear and agreed message to communicate that everyone pushes.....

The Trust are a nothing org now and have no reach or influence. The FAB recently distanced themselves from the club as they wanted a designated singing section - club wasn't interested - like The Trust they are toothless (although the actual person behind ROTS, who was FAB, does himself no favours at all on social media)

This thread is proof that people don't know what the groups stand for or what messages are coming from each group.

Levy/ENIC Out have jumped on the coat tails of Change - again this is not necessarily the aim for the group.

You yourself posted some random bloke and what change meant for him.....I take it he is not change for tottenham, unless that's you? so again confused.

Change means a lot of things to lot of people. Jump on a Space on X or a youtube live feed with your thoughts.

I would certainly make sure gimmicks like Balloons in the ground is coordinated alot better than inflating them before going in then crying when stewards confiscated them....

That's not what happened at all. Although I think balloons are a stupid idea and have given my views to Change.

 

[Grays_1890]

Still with this? You're boring now - you have the info.

No you have posted a bunch of twitter profiles where people have used their nicknames and have Emojis as their face. I have zero knowledge of who is heading up Change for Tottenham. You can list their names bellow if its so freely available but its not, so you can't. I don't want links to Youtube, Twitter Space or Twitter just the names. The fact you can't do that proves a lack of transparency and the fact your only response is "its boring" is not as clever as you think it it.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

No you have posted a bunch of twitter profiles where people have used their nicknames and have Emojis as their face.

Not true.

I have zero knowledge of who is heading up Change for Tottenham.

That's on you.

You can list their names bellow if its so freely available but its not, so you can't.

It is.

I don't want links to Youtube, Twitter Space or Twitter just the names.

Look at the links and you'll see actual faces, not just names.

The fact you can't do that proves a lack of transparency and the fact your only response is "its boring" is not as clever as you think it it.

Time for me to use that ignore button, I think.

 

[Grays_1890]

Not true.


That's on you.


It is.


Look at the links and you'll see actual faces, not just names.


Time for me to use that ignore button, I think.

Well done for proving my point.

As for ignore, do as you wish, its a free platform, I have just asked some pretty basic questions that you seem to be getting jumpy about because you can't answer them.

 

[billyiddo]

The Change for Spurs/Tottenham bio on X literally signs off with #LevyOut

As do many/all of their tweets

They are calling for people to bring ENIC Out banners to the march/sit in.

If that isn't what their message is centered around they aren't doing a very good job of putting their message out.

If they want a dialogue with the club to put across their message they will not be taken seriously whilst trying to mobilize a march with the above messaging.

 

[billyiddo]

From their website :

Remember, this isn't a Levy Out group or protest

 

[Grays_1890]

The Change for Spurs/Tottenham bio on X literally signs off with #LevyOut

As do many/all of their tweets

They are calling for people to bring ENIC Out banners to the march/sit in.

If that isn't what their message is centered around they aren't doing a very good job of putting their message out.

If they want a dialogue with the club to put across their message they will not be taken seriously whilst trying to mobilize a march with the above messaging.

Whilst claimed on here that they are not Levy Out....so absolutely confused messaging.

Not sure why it has to be so defensive that their campaign seems all over the shop, it's not personal

 

[billyiddo]

Whilst claimed on here that they are not Levy Out....so absolutely confused messaging.

Not sure why it has to be so defensive that their campaign seems all over the shop, it's not personal

IDK why he's trying to argue that it's not a levy/enic out protest or group, it's there for all to see - if that's what people want and they feel strongly enough about it to protest then have at it - but for their own sakes don't try and be all things to all people, you won't get anywhere, and they're not going to be able to address other issues that they have whilst orchestrating a demo calling for the board/owners to sell up/stand down/clear off.

 

[Grays_1890]

IDK why he's trying to argue that it's not a levy/enic out protest or group, it's there for all to see - if that's what people want and they feel strongly enough about it to protest then have at it - but for their own sakes don't try and be all things to all people, you won't get anywhere, and they're not going to be able to address other issues that they have whilst orchestrating a demo calling for the board/owners to sell up/stand down/clear off.

Yep, i don't have an issue about it being Levy Out either but to claim its not when it's on their page just adds to the confusion.

There is nothing to be defensive about IMO, it's just faceless and slighyly confusing, hardly a harsh observation

If this is the reaction to constructive criticisms then they are really not going to get far

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Not true.


That's on you.


It is.


Look at the links and you'll see actual faces, not just names.


Time for me to use that ignore button, I think.

Just list the names and it's job done........why the dance?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

IDK why he's trying to argue that it's not a levy/enic out protest or group, it's there for all to see - if that's what people want and they feel strongly enough about it to protest then have at it - but for their own sakes don't try and be all things to all people, you won't get anywhere, and they're not going to be able to address other issues that they have whilst orchestrating a demo calling for the board/owners to sell up/stand down/clear off.

That’s partly why the trust failed
Being a big of everything and all of nothing

 

[SpiderSpurs]

Spurs Leaks (@spursleaks.bsky.social)

Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy is said to have enlisted staff to infiltrate planned protests against ENIC's ownership of the football club to identify participating club members and season ticket holders so as to revoke their privileges on the grounds of disruptive behaviour - sources

bsky.app

 

[SpiderSpurs]

Spurs Leaks (@spursleaks.bsky.social)

Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy is said to have enlisted staff to infiltrate planned protests against ENIC's ownership of the football club to identify participating club members and season ticket holders so as to revoke their privileges on the grounds of disruptive behaviour - sources

bsky.app

From the same account

Spurs Leaks (@spursleaks.bsky.social)

The Tottenham Hotspur board are considering a proposal to roll out a special edition away kit next season to mark 100 years since Spurs last included red among its club colours, with supporters of the plan expecting it to be a massive hit among fans - sources

bsky.app

 

[Muttley]

My big confusion with this topic is that the club should strongly want a supporters trust. I'm not going to get into current names, but at a high level it couldn't be healthier for a club to have one in place. I would almost advocate the club paying for it. VoX - voice of the customer is an important part of any company selling a product. Football is a product.

In the past, I've read minutes of the THST meetings with Levy and Cullen and never got a great impression from the Spurs execs. It certainly didn't feel like a healthy 2-way dialogue. Some very condescending tones coming from Levy and it was even minuted that he only gave an hour of his time and left. Not a good look.

I'm sure the club has many listening functions from everything from face to face forums to active listening on the social media space.

Obviously, wanting the owners removed is another level though.

 

[Grays_1890]

My big confusion with this topic is that the club should strongly want a supporters trust. I'm not going to get into current names, but at a high level it couldn't be healthier for a club to have one in place. I would almost advocate the club paying for it. VoX - voice of the customer is an important part of any company selling a product. Football is a product.

In the past, I've read minutes of the THST meetings with Levy and Cullen and never got a great impression from the Spurs execs. It certainly didn't feel like a healthy 2-way dialogue. Some very condescending tones coming from Levy and it was even minuted that he only gave an hour of his time and left. Not a good look.

I'm sure the club has many listening functions from everything from face to face forums to active listening on the social media space.

Obviously, wanting the owners removed is another level though.

I think thats a two way street I also think the waters been muddied from having the FAB and the THST because that creates some confusion IMO. (not going into deep history) The old THST board made a power play by leaving the trust to try and get on FAB as they felt it would have great voice and failed, so now there is what I imagine distrust and abit of posturing impacting.

But I agree with what you are saying, that though comes down to what my main point is about the protests, if you are only getting an hour of Levys time you need to go armed, clear and articulate, you need to be out the gate with the major points first and not waste minutes about ticketing issues and retail when those depts are going to remain after he has left.

Its difficult to articulate and be impassioned about fan mood and feeling but that IMO is whats needed to be projected to Levy and the board and to try and find a synergy to moving forward. It could be a fools errand now with how the game is heading, but its no good moaning about the number of tampons you can take into Liverpool away and burn up 20 mins of the chairman's hour

 

[Glenda's Legs]

My big confusion with this topic is that the club should strongly want a supporters trust. I'm not going to get into current names, but at a high level it couldn't be healthier for a club to have one in place. I would almost advocate the club paying for it. VoX - voice of the customer is an important part of any company selling a product. Football is a product.

In the past, I've read minutes of the THST meetings with Levy and Cullen and never got a great impression from the Spurs execs. It certainly didn't feel like a healthy 2-way dialogue. Some very condescending tones coming from Levy and it was even minuted that he only gave an hour of his time and left. Not a good look.

I'm sure the club has many listening functions from everything from face to face forums to active listening on the social media space.

Obviously, wanting the owners removed is another level though.

I think in the past the Trust had built up a reasonable operating rhythm with the club. Much as I found Kat and Martin (Kat especially) annoying, I do believe they did a lot of good work on ticketing, on working with the Safety Advisory Group, on having THFC representation on wider football groups, and on trying to hold the board to account. And I think Levy attended every meeting but may not have been there for some of the more operational stuff (but not totally sure tbh). I recall Spurs were one of the few clubs that met with their Trust more frequently than the PL recommended. They (the Trust) fudged it all up after the Super League stuff by calling for the Board to resign. At that point you lose any ears you might have had.
The irony is that the Fan Advisory Board they pushed so much to have in place is headed by Donna Cullen, so they have lost that direct connection with Levy, for whatever it was worth.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

But I agree with what you are saying, that though comes down to what my main point is about the protests, if you are only getting an hour of Levys time you need to go armed, clear and articulate, you need to be out the gate with the major points first and not waste minutes about ticketing issues and retail when those depts are going to remain after he has left.

in fairness I remember Kat and Martin on a pod saying pretty much this. They had to go fully prepped with facts and figures for whatever they wanted to engage with Levy on - quite rightly of course - and I do believe they did this. Not so sure how it works now with the FAB.
The trouble is a fan group is just never going to have enough influence on a privately owned company. We’re not talking Asset and Fund Managers having THFC as a publicly listed company in their portfolios, who would have influence. Fan groups are shouting at the moon and there are too many mixed messages (as you might expect from such a disparate group).

 

[glorygloryeze]

Is there any existing Fan Group at a PL club that is a model to follow re keeping their owners 'on their toes', 'honest' as it were?

 

[kendoddsdadsdog]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...aniel-levy-qatari-investors-chairman-takeover

This would be rather amusing, if it actually transpires.