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Ebola

bodily fluids only, although people are generally covered in them, think how many times you scratch your nose, rub your eyes, bite your nails

what surprises me is that they are still allowing flights into effected countries, id have quarantined the whole zone and 1000 miles all around, this is end of days ****, you can't **** around with it, one infected man walking round manhattan for 4 hours and new york would have the population of iceland by thanksgiving
 
what surprises me is that they are still allowing flights into effected countries, id have quarantined the whole zone and 1000 miles all around, this is end of days ****, you can't **** around with it, one infected man walking round manhattan for 4 hours and new york would have the population of iceland by thanksgiving

Yeah it's a bit crazy how it could wipe us out, yet lets just carry on as normal letting people travel anywhere from these countries.

Interesting TED talk on how these new virus occur, basically it's from African hunters rubbing open wounds against dead animals...
http://www.ted.com/talks/nathan_wolfe_hunts_for_the_next_aids?language=en

Most likely this type of thing will be the incentive for the west to actually care about Africa. For now hopefully they can at least stop them being blood brothers with a dead ape.
 
Yeah it's a bit crazy how it could wipe us out, yet lets just carry on as normal letting people travel anywhere from these countries.

Interesting TED talk on how these new virus occur, basically it's from African hunters rubbing open wounds against dead animals...
http://www.ted.com/talks/nathan_wolfe_hunts_for_the_next_aids?language=en

Most likely this type of thing will be the incentive for the west to actually care about Africa. For now hopefully they can at least stop them being blood brothers with a dead ape.

Don't patronise Africa. The West has spunked billions on Africa and it's worked a treat, hasn't it? Denying poor Africans electricity in the name of Gaia is another coherent strategy that guilty Western liberals espouse, never mind the fact that it has caused and continues to cause many more deaths than Ebola ever will.
 
Don't patronise Africa. The West has spunked billions on Africa and it's worked a treat, hasn't it? Denying poor Africans electricity in the name of Gaia is another coherent strategy that guilty Western liberals espouse, never mind the fact that it has caused and continues to cause many more deaths than Ebola ever will.

So the middle east, South America, Russia, Asia and China are off the hook then.

I'm not even sure how a lack of electricity causes death? I mean it hasn't even been around that long.
 
So the middle east, South America, Russia, Asia and China are off the hook then.

I'm not even sure how a lack of electricity causes death? I mean it hasn't even been around that long.

Electricity means moving out of abject poverty! there is a clear link between towns, community's receiving reliable power and them increasing there stranded of living.

Its all part of the Nuclear argument ( but that is a different topic)
 
So the middle east, South America, Russia, Asia and China are off the hook then.

I'm not even sure how a lack of electricity causes death? I mean it hasn't even been around that long.

The reason we're essentially pretty safe in the west when it comes to Ebola is that we have the health care and general infrastructure to deal with it. Mistakes will be made, but we will manage to contain it I'm sure.

When the infrastructure is vulnerable and collapses that's when these outbreaks get really bad, this happens a lot easier in most of Africa than in London. It's not just electricity, but that's certainly a part of it.
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/24/health/new-york-ebola-timeline/index.html

A doctor who recently returned from Guinea has tested positive for Ebola -- the first case of the deadly virus in New York City and the fourth diagnosed in the United States.

Here is a timeline of Craig Spencer's movements since he got back from the West African nation:

When did he return from Guinea?

Spencer came back to the United States last week after treating Ebola patients in Guinea, where he worked for Doctors Without Borders. He completed his work in Guinea on October 12 and left the country two days later via Brussels, Belgium.

He arrived at John F. Kennedy International Airport on October 17, but he exhibited no symptoms of the virus until Thursday morning, said Dr. Mary Travis Bassett, New York City's health commissioner.

The physician, who works at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, was checking his temperature twice a day. He has not seen any patients since his return.

Did he have any symptoms?

The 33-year-old did not have any symptoms just after his return, but he developed a fever, nausea, pain and fatigue Thursday morning, authorities said. He began feeling sluggish a couple of days ago, but his fever spiked to 100.3 degrees Fahrenheit (about 38 Celsius) the day his symptoms appeared.

How many people has he been in contact with?

Spencer was in contact with a few people after he started exhibiting symptoms. Ebola isn't contagious until someone has symptoms.

Three people -- his fiancée and two friends -- are being placed on quarantine and monitored, health officials said.

"They are all well at this time; none of them is sick," Bassett said.

What places did he visit?

Spencer started feeling fatigued Tuesday, though without a fever, officials said.

That day, he visited a coffee stand and a meatball restaurant in Manhattan. The next day, he ran for 3 miles in his neighborhood, and took the subway to a bowling alley in Brooklyn. He wasn't symptomatic until Thursday, when he had a low-grade fever, officials said.

The bowling alley closed Thursday and its bar was cleaned and sanitized as a precaution, it said. Both the coffee stand and the bowling alley were assessed and cleared by health officials while the restaurant was expected to reopen Friday evening.

Spencer also traveled on three subway lines. "At the time that the doctor was on the subway, he did not have fever ... he was not symptomatic," Bassett said. Chances of anyone contracting the virus from contact with him are "close to nil," she said.

Is the hospital equipped to handle Ebola cases?

Spencer is at New York's Bellevue Hospital Center, where he has been in isolation since emergency personnel took him there.

It's one of eight hospitals statewide designated by Cuomo as part of an Ebola preparedness plan.

"We are as ready as one could be," Cuomo said. His state will be different from Texas, he said, where a Liberian man was diagnosed with Ebola and two nurses who treated him later contracted the virus. The man, Thomas Eric Duncan, died October 8.

"We had the advantage of learning from the Dallas experience," he said.

CDC issues new hospital guidance for Ebola

How will his case be different from Duncan's?

Duncan, who had flown from Liberia to Dallas, was the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States. Two nurses who helped care for him also got infected, raising concerns about the nation's ability to deal with an outbreak.

One of the Dallas nurses, Nina Pham, has been declared free of the Ebola virus while another one, Amber Vinson, is still hospitalized.

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said his city followed every protocol in its handling of Spencer's case.

For starters, Spencer was admitted to a hospital as soon as he developed symptoms, unlike Duncan, who was sent home with antibiotics the first time he went to Texas Presbyterian Hospital. Duncan returned days later and was hospitalized.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has dispatched a team to New York to help with the case.

"We want to state at the outset there is no reason for New Yorkers to be alarmed," the mayor said.

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What about his neighbors?

Spencer's Manhattan apartment has been isolated and locked.

City health department workers canvassed the neighborhood, distributing information about Ebola and slipping fliers under doors, said Eugene Upshaw, who lives in Spencer's building.

The handbills, which read "Ebola: Am I at risk?" explain the virus, its symptoms and how you can get it.

"What we're doing now is just telling the folks who live here in the neighborhood that they're safe. It's safe for them to be in their buildings, it's safe for them to go to their apartments, it's safe for them to walk down the street," said Sam Miller, associate commissioner of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

Ebola is spread by direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person. The outbreak has killed nearly 5,000 people, mostly in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

How many Ebola cases have been diagnosed in the U.S.?

Spencer is the fourth person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States. After Duncan, who was infected in his native Liberia before being diagnosed in Dallas, two nurses treating him later tested positive.

Latest Ebola developments

Have there been other cases involving Americans?

Yes.

Five other Americans have been diagnosed with Ebola in West Africa and later transferred to the U.S. for treatment. They were treated and discharged from hospitals in Atlanta and Omaha, Nebraska.

An additional American died of Ebola in July after traveling to Nigeria from Liberia.
 
What an absolute cluster****, anyone arriving from the affected area should be on a mandatory 42 day quarantine whether they show symptoms or not.
 
What an absolute cluster****, anyone arriving from the affected area should be on a mandatory 42 day quarantine whether they show symptoms or not.
How would they know? There are no direct flights between west Africa and the US. Besides where are you going to put these quarantined people?
 
I'm sure the U.S knows exactly where everyone arriving has been, and I'm sure they have the facilities.

It's been proved that arrival screening isn't working, they need to step this up, this has the potential to devastate entire communities, it can't be amateur hour, the response needs to be wildly disproportionate.
 
I'm sure the U.S knows exactly where everyone arriving has been, and I'm sure they have the facilities.

It's been proved that arrival screening isn't working, they need to step this up, this has the potential to devastate entire communities, it can't be amateur hour, the response needs to be wildly disproportionate.
I think that what you are suggesting is a disproportionate response to the risk. The reason that screening at arrivals will not work is that Ebola has flu like symptoms and can be difficult to distinguish from a number of common illnesses.

People are not infections until they display symptoms and even then it is a not very contagious disease (even in the slums of Liberia we are only seeing a transmission rate of 1:2).

Obviously with a fatality rate of 50% and the size of the current outbreak are causes for concern but on the other hand, Nigeria was declared Ebola free this week. If Nigeria with all of its problems and poor infrastructure can contain the disease then I am sure that western countries can too. We have also only seen one person contract the disease outside of west Africa.
 
we don't know what the risk is yet, it's the first time its been in the wild outside of Africa in humans, there are enough differences between zaire and Reston in monkeys that with the different climate its a reasonable enough concern that infection patterns may differ in humans as well

this is all new, nothing can be assumed so nothing should be risked
 
we don't know what the risk is yet, it's the first time its been in the wild outside of Africa in humans, there are enough differences between zaire and Reston in monkeys that with the different climate its a reasonable enough concern that infection patterns may differ in humans as well

this is all new, nothing can be assumed so nothing should be risked
Are you aware of anyone reputable calling for the quarantining all people arriving from west Africa?
 
nope, are you?

No.

I think that public health decision are best made on available evidence and with due consideration to the risk that they pose. On both of these criteria, quarantining people does not make sense. I think that it would be disproportionate, disruptive, expensive, likely to scare the public and quite possibly counter productive.
 
I think that what you are suggesting is a disproportionate response to the risk. The reason that screening at arrivals will not work is that Ebola has flu like symptoms and can be difficult to distinguish from a number of common illnesses.

People are not infections until they display symptoms and even then it is a not very contagious disease (even in the slums of Liberia we are only seeing a transmission rate of 1:2).

Obviously with a fatality rate of 50% and the size of the current outbreak are causes for concern but on the other hand, Nigeria was declared Ebola free this week. If Nigeria with all of its problems and poor infrastructure can contain the disease then I am sure that western countries can too. We have also only seen one person contract the disease outside of west Africa.

A very well balanced evaluation that I agree with.

The governors of New York and New Jersey seem to be taking a more panicky reaction, although I suppose they are in the line of fire in the event that general scientific opinion underestimates the risk. This is a problem with letting politicians have the final say but one where it is awkward to come up with alternatives.
 
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