Djed Spence

[SpurMeUp]

See someone who can play LB and RB and has done the hard yards to get into the side and England. Not for me.

Everyone has a price right. What would you sell for? Bearing in mind we can put it back into a stellar forward.

 

[LutonSpurs]

No. People are often careful with words

What kind of stuff do people want to say that they are scared of saying on here?

 

[Ace Face]

We have finished 17th every season he’s played.

So has every other player in the squad. Doesn’t make them all lower PL-quality players.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

What kind of stuff do people want to say that they are scared of saying on here?

I don't mind Woolwich, I use to watch them with my mate in late 50's, fans weren't so horrible back then.

 

[JerusalemMan]

What kind of stuff do people want to say that they are scared of saying on here?

I meant that I think no-one here has gone as far as to accuse another poster of unconscious bias.

 

[Ace Face]

I meant that I think no-one here has gone as far as to accuse another poster of unconscious bias.

Accusing some of having an unconscious bias sounds like the beginning of a Monty Python sketch…

“I accuse you of unconsciously thinking [abc]…”
“No I didn’t”
“Well, how would you know?”


Disclaimer: I’m not trying to undermine this debate, which I think is more culturally important than the merits of a football player. I just found that scenario amusing.

 

[thfcsteff]

So essentially, we cannot critique a player in djed Spence as he looks like he switches off in games and doesn’t concentrate at times and to call that out is because people are racially bias?

Only if you take it that way. No-one I know is saying that is the case, but if you wish to, that's your business.

If anything I’ve only given back handed compliments saying that he could go on to be an elite player if he used his physical attributes and applied himself better in games pertaining to what I’ve just mentioned.

OK, and?

And yes in various outlets he has opinions and people won’t agree with them … or the way he portrays himself people don’t like. It works both ways. I don’t particularly like everything I see of him in social media or outlets but I’ve already discussed previously.

Great.

But then to drag a back catalogue of black players into it just doesn’t sit well with me personally. It’s case by case, person by person.

I don't care what sits well with you personally, that is not my concern. I gave this discussion the courtesy of a thoughtful and honest personal response. I have explained my views on both Spence and the imbalance I believe exists in judging black players. And that's it really.

 

[thfcsteff]

I think Zlatan got tarred with that brush as well tbh. At least by the British press who used to always bring up his record against English teams. Cantona, Vardy, Stephen Ireland spring to mind. LeSaux was classed as gay because he read the telegraph lol. Becks was hated until the Greece game. Romero for us at the moment as well.

Fair points, I'd discuss that these were all different situations because of specific actions. Cantona was because of the Palace kung-fu, Vardy was always banter albeit I do agree aspersions were cast based on his background, Ireland I remember and can see some comparisons, Le Saux was because of The Guardian and yes that was homophobic abuse based on nothing, Becks was because of 98 and I agree appalling (and yes, he was also hated in that fine British tradition of people being jealous of handsome successful people), so I see these and fail to see what Spence has done to deserve the levels he's received TBH.

EDIT: totally forgot about Vardy's racist outburst. The fudging clam.

 

[LutonSpurs]

I meant that I think no-one here has gone as far as to accuse another poster of unconscious bias.

You wouldn't normally as you can't prove it. But it is very real.

 

[thfcsteff]

Not really been discussed but….why would he want to be at Spurs? He is very clearly 2nd choice at RB. His LB minutes will now go to Robertson.

He is in the England squad. Despite the press noise he is trusted by Tuchel. There are 3 English RB’s you can argue are better than him. James & Livramento always injured and Trent does not work in the system. He wil probably want and go and be first choice somewhere.

I think this is a great point.

 

[Gazza]

Only if you take it that way. No-one I know is saying that is the case, but if you wish to, that's your business.




OK, and?




Great.





I don't care what sits well with you personally, that is not my concern. I gave this discussion the courtesy of a thoughtful and honest personal response. I have explained my views on both Spence and the imbalance I believe exists in judging black players. And that's it really.

Yet you have replied enough to reply non stop and attempt to break my points of view down, with your narrative.

And in typical fashion I respect your view in suggesting that it’s an imbalance because he is black in your opinion. I disagree however, and we can move on.

I personally couldn’t care less about his skin tone but you obviously see that within the discussion, even though no one has yet to bring that to the forefront, not even a hint of it. Not one jot, Not one iota.

So like I said you can be offended on his behalf and suggest that it’s because he is black, it’s not crossed my mind personally not at any point in time.

Let’s move on.