Craig_J
Mido
Why all this sudden talk of Labour winning the election? Genuine question, feel like I'm missing something as last I heard the Torys were slightly ahead.
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Dear oh dear Ed Milliband, what a joke of a man !!!
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Why all this sudden talk of Labour winning the election? Genuine question, feel like I'm missing something as last I heard the Torys were slightly ahead.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
Very few polls are saying that fella,even the Tory commissioned ones.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
Why exactly? Can you give me three reasons ?
Craig_J
Mido
I must be out the loop! Still, a lot can change during the election. If the Torys lose they've only themselves to blame for not holding the EU referendum they promised.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
Is there any real reason why they should win ?
Craig_J
Mido
I can't see any real reason why any party should win! May as well vote Monster Raving Looney
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
When you look at the media and general leanings of the mass populace I think it's a minor miracle that Labour wins any elections really.
That said, I can see another hung parliament and sadly we may get quite a few in the next few elections.
The main parties are mostly much of a muchness nowadays and actually that is a big problem for democracy (or at least the illusion of democracy that we see) today imo
Richie
Naybet
Labour are in trouble. The conservatives hold a 2:1 advantage in terms of second place in Lib Dem marginals, so when their vote inevitably collapses the Tories will benefit more. Also the SNP are expected to take 15-20 of Labours seats in Scotland.
If we see UKIP take a few seats from all colours I could imagine the Tories leading a minority government/
Notmegov
Roman Pavlyuchenko
With UKIP as part of the government.
Richie
Naybet
I don't see any way they join in an official coalition so UKIP wouldn't be part of the government but they'd support the Tories in some kind of arrangement
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
I think your wrong on most of this. Plus if the SNP do get as many seats as predicted,what is stopping them going into coalition with Labour ? Most Liberal votes are at the moment going to Labour was well.
Not that I think it will be the worst thing to happen if Labour lose. There will be an economic crash is 2016,whatever party is in charge,and I would rather Labour did not have to take the blame for it.
Craig_J
Mido
What makes you say this?
Richie
Naybet
Well the SNP would still only have around 25 seats and how could they justify their anti Westminster stance while sitting on the front benches? They could possibly prop up a Labour minority ala UKIP and the Tories, but I think this would be unacceptable to English voters as evidenced by the huge support for English Votes for English Laws legislation. I don't see how a Labour-SNP arrangement could have any legitimacy in England
I think that achievement was a great one too - the fact that she woke the UK up to real world economics so that in order to get voted in the left have to convince the UK they're right of centre!
The fact that they were incredibly good at lying and hiding their real positions was unfortunate - amazing how quickly the country forgets really.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
Same way a Tory UKIP pact would work if they only had 10 seats.
I would have initially raised taxes in that position too - the UK's economy was as weak as it's ever been, was in the middle of a cyclical low point in taxation and spending couldn't be cut quickly without disaster.
Once the economy was stabilised, she got on with the good work of cutting both spending and taxes - it's a shame that the Conservatives are so bad at playing as a team, otherwise she'd have finished her good work.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
I say this because this supposed recovery has been built on that back of household debt and a housing bubble. Wages have not improved,exports are still struggling massively. Interests rates have been kept low,however as soon as they go up and people can not repay their mortgage,we will have huge problems again. Couple that with the Eurozone once again looking weak who are our biggest trading partner and there is trouble ahead.
Why do you think Osborne is borrowing so much cash. The economy will plummet in the next year. Look what is happening to Tesco/Foxtons,big companies are struggling.
If labour get in,it will be blamed on them of course,but it is going to happen anyway.
I've never heard the term "trot" used to specifically designated someone as a Trotskyist, merely as as slightly pejorative term for a socialist.
Don't you worry about me losing an election - I never will.
I might have wasted a few £ in party donations, but not enough to make any difference to my life. If the pinks do get in then the biggest problem it will cause me is some hassle in shifting my investments. I'll just employ myself at the Czech arm of our company and save myself their tax increases. I'll shift my pension pot abroad and my son's ISA, etc. Might have to give back the company car and buy one instead if they bump the tax. Nothing really major.
It's more the principle and the hard working people in this country who don't have the option to do what I can that I care about. They can't avoid the taxes the autistic one will punish them with for daring to be ambitious and to try and make something of their lives.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
I would imagine this hard working people would want greater rights and security in the workplace. Plus these hard working people have seen the greatest wage recession for 130 years.
Trot has and always will be used to distinguished between a democratic socialist e.g Attlee and a revolutionary in the mould of Trotsky.
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Don't know don't care. **** 'em they can't have them.
Seriously though, workplace security comes from being too good to sack. You want to keep your job? Do it really well - it really is that simple.
Trust me, I hear that term thrown around a lot and have never once heard it used to specify anything other than being left of centre. Maybe for those of you already on the dark side it has some distinction, but not for the enlightened.