Dear oh dear Ed Milliband, what a joke of a man !!!

[scaramanga]

Time to LOL at the special one again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cuity-class-envy-Miliband-s-Labour-Party.html

He then takes hours to put a comeback together which singularly fails to negate any of the points she made. Well done David's brother :special:

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

Time to LOL at the special one again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cuity-class-envy-Miliband-s-Labour-Party.html

He then takes hours to put a comeback together which singularly fails to negate any of the points she made. Well done David's brother :special:

Yes because most people can buy a garage for 2 million. She was spot on.

 

[scaramanga]

Yes because most people can buy a garage for 2 million. She was spot on.

A very close friend of mine's father moved to the UK from Ireland in the 60s, he started a skip haulage business and bought a house at the Maida Vale end of Kilburn. That house is worth well over £2M and he is still not a rich man. He's past retirement age but is still driving skips around North London to get by - he would like to retire soon, I'm sure.

Is it really the politics of the jealous that someone who has worked hard all of his life to get by now has to sell his family home because of a punitive tax?

He's far from alone in that regard - Maida Vale has plenty of houses that were a modest price in the 60s and bought by hard working, low income families. Willesden is going that way, and I'd be surprised if Brixton doesn't if they ever improve the tube line out that way.

It's not just London, there are plenty of people near me in Chichester who would be hit by that tax who are absolutely not rich - even your lot wouldn't consider them to be.

Taxes only work if they're based on what you earn or what you buy. Putting a tax on what you have makes no sense.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

A very close friend of mine's father moved to the UK from Ireland in the 60s, he started a skip haulage business and bought a house at the Maida Vale end of Kilburn. That house is worth well over £2M and he is still not a rich man. He's past retirement age but is still driving skips around North London to get by - he would like to retire soon, I'm sure.

Is it really the politics of the jealous that someone who has worked hard all of his life to get by now has to sell his family home because of a punitive tax?

He's far from alone in that regard - Maida Vale has plenty of houses that were a modest price in the 60s and bought by hard working, low income families. Willesden is going that way, and I'd be surprised if Brixton doesn't if they ever improve the tube line out that way.

It's not just London, there are plenty of people near me in Chichester who would be hit by that tax who are absolutely not rich - even your lot wouldn't consider them to be.

Taxes only work if they're based on what you earn or what you buy. Putting a tax on what you have makes no sense.

Rubbish a tax on wealth not on income makes far more sense if we want to live in a meritocracy. Also was it not that famous trot Boris Johnson who said that we need the politics of envy ?

Apart from that cool story bro.

 

[scaramanga]

Rubbish a tax on wealth not on income makes far more sense if we want to live in a meritocracy. Also was it not that famous trot Boris Johnson who said that we need the politics of envy ?

Apart from that cool story bro.

I'm not quite sure why you're listening to Boris - nobody on this side of the political spectrum does.

As for taxing "wealth" or family homes/heirlooms/cherished items as it's known to the rest of us. Who would honestly want to live in a world where we have to sell off our own heritage to balance the fact that our profligate government can't keep spending in check, or because the rest of the country doesn't work hard enough to pay for medical insurance, or because so much of the country doesn't work at all?

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

I'm not quite sure why you're listening to Boris - nobody on this side of the political spectrum does.

As for taxing "wealth" or family homes/heirlooms/cherished items as it's known to the rest of us. Who would honestly want to live in a world where we have to sell off our own heritage to balance the fact that our profligate government can't keep spending in check, or because the rest of the country doesn't work hard enough to pay for medical insurance, or because so much of the country doesn't work at all?

Well according to most bookies he is 9/4 favourite to be your next leader so somebody does.

No one is asking anyone to sell of anything,stop being a drama queen. What I am proposing is a wealth tax that stops people hording money. Why should people just inherit a fortune they have done nothing to contribute to apart from coming out of the right Vagina ? I thought you were an advocate of hard work ?

6.2% of the country is unemployed,not all of those even taking the benefits they are entitled of ? 6.2 % is not a lot,I mean you may have used it to justify some low exam results but trust me anything under 10 % is not a huge number.

 

[scaramanga]

Well according to most bookies he is 9/4 favourite to be your next leader so somebody does.

No one is asking anyone to sell of anything,stop being a drama queen. What I am proposing is a wealth tax that stops people hording money. Why should people just inherit a fortune they have done nothing to contribute to apart from coming out of the right Vagina ? I thought you were an advocate of hard work ?

A £2M home is not money and neither is somebody rich just by owning one. Selling that home is precisely what those on low incomes will have to do if the special one gets voted in.

You want to tax money? That might be a little difficult. I'm sure I fall into the category of those you would believe need taxing but I don't really have any money. I have less than £3k in my bank and less than £20 in my wallet. My son's quite keen on 'posting' money through our floorboards - I could probably scrape together another £20 or £30 if I were to hunt around the cellar a bit. Maybe another couple of quid from down the back of the sofa?

There's about £4 I keep for parking in the ashtray in my car - I suppose you could tax that......

6.2% of the country is unemployed,not all of those even taking the benefits they are entitled of ? 6.2 % is not a lot,I mean you may have used it to justify some low exam results but trust me anything under 10 % is not a huge number.

It's not a large number but if David's brother really does want to raise as small an amount as £1.2B for the NHS then why not get it by stopping benefit fraud? Last time I checked that was costing the government £1.4-1.6B

If not, then why doesn't he just admit he's lying and that he is actually playing the politics of envy? He'd be far less irritating if he just admitted that that's what he's doing, Dressing it up as something that will save an NHS that already failed decades ago simply doesn't cut if for anyone with half a brain.

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

Well according to most bookies he is 9/4 favourite to be your next leader so somebody does.

No one is asking anyone to sell of anything,stop being a drama queen. What I am proposing is a wealth tax that stops people hording money. Why should people just inherit a fortune they have done nothing to contribute to apart from coming out of the right Vagina ? I thought you were an advocate of hard work ?

6.2% of the country is unemployed,not all of those even taking the benefits they are entitled of ? 6.2 % is not a lot,I mean you may have used it to justify some low exam results but trust me anything under 10 % is not a huge number.

You just get worse and worse, you really should read back on the **** that you write then go take along hard look in the mirror and admit the reason for your jealousy is your own lack of success in life. Most of these people have worked damn hard all of their lives so hopefully they get the benefit later in life and their children get some benefit when they're gone. You just want to take all of that away and give it to the lazy, workshy and feckless. Sure they're are some in life that have had money handed down to them, so what, good luck to them, i wish i'd had a silver spoon, life would have been easier but i didn't, but i worked damn hard to hopefully ensure my kids will be okay. Theres the key word "worked", work and study, there's absolutely no reason why anyone in this country who educates themselves and pushes themselves, works hard can't be successful. Anyone who says they can't has either failed, a liar or a Labour voter.

Here's a thought for you, most people who are in a successful profession and have a nice comfortable life have probably worked damn hard to get there. They worked hard through school/uni, probably got called swats, nerds and geeks by the cool and hard kids. Well guess what pal those geeks turned into people that made something of themselves, the very same people you hate and want to punish for all their hard work.

Genuine question - why should those that have worked hard to get somewhere have to prop up those that couldn't or can't be arsed.

btw none of the above is aimed at the genuinely disabled, or those that have genuinely been unlucky in life and need our help. I have the opposite view that we treat them disgracefully, like we do the old. I wouldn't have a problem paying a lot more taxes if i knew if was going to the genuinely needy. But when its someone who just wants to have a chilled easy life, doesn't want to work, or pretends they have a disability...... If they want more from taxes then **** them they're *****, no person SHOULD get benefits only those that are needy. There was a poster on here who posted a couple of months ago, it might have been dza i can't remember, but he said he can't be arsed pushing himself, he's happy at his level, getting topped up by benefits....... fine thats his choice if he's happy, but then don't keep coming asking for more and more because others have worked hard and have more.

Show me someone who worked hard and did well in school and at uni and doesn't/or couldn't have a decent career if they wanted...... i bet you can't.

I've said it before but the fact that people with your mindset are teaching our children is just wrong, very wrong.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

You just get worse and worse, you really should read back on the **** that you write then go take along hard look in the mirror and admit the reason for your jealousy is your own lack of success in life. Most of these people have worked damn hard all of their lives so hopefully they get the benefit later in life and their children get some benefit when they're gone. You just want to take all of that away and give it to the lazy, workshy and feckless. Sure they're are some in life that have had money handed down to them, so what, good luck to them, i wish i'd had a silver spoon, life would have been easier but i didn't, but i worked damn hard to hopefully ensure my kids will be okay. Theres the key word "worked", work and study, there's absolutely no reason why anyone in this country who educates themselves and pushes themselves, works hard can't be successful. Anyone who says they can't has either failed, a liar or a Labour voter.

Here's a thought for you, most people who are in a successful profession and have a nice comfortable life have probably worked damn hard to get there. They worked hard through school/uni, probably got called swats, nerds and geeks by the cool and hard kids. Well guess what pal those geeks turned into people that made something of themselves, the very same people you hate and want to punish for all their hard work.

Genuine question - why should those that have worked hard to get somewhere have to prop up those that couldn't or can't be arsed.

btw none of the above is aimed at the genuinely disabled, or those that have genuinely been unlucky in life and need our help. I have the opposite view that we treat them disgracefully, like we do the old. I wouldn't have a problem paying a lot more taxes if i knew if was going to the genuinely needy. But when its someone who just wants to have a chilled easy life, doesn't want to work, or pretends they have a disability...... If they want more from taxes then **** them they're *****, no person SHOULD get benefits only those that are needy. There was a poster on here who posted a couple of months ago, it might have been dza i can't remember, but he said he can't be arsed pushing himself, he's happy at his level, getting topped up by benefits....... fine thats his choice if he's happy, but then don't keep coming asking for more and more because others have worked hard and have more.

Show me someone who worked hard and did well in school and at uni and doesn't/or couldn't have a decent career if they wanted...... i bet you can't.

I've said it before but the fact that people with your mindset are teaching our children is just wrong, very wrong.

Right seeing as you seem to know me so well,please tell me where exactly I feel I have failed in life.

The rest is just people get what they deserve philosophy than can be disproved in many ways,Bob Diamond Adebyaor, Boris Johnson.

I am not against people getting money by being good at their job. I am against people inheriting larges swathes of money. It is not meritocratic and it does not even meet your cult of hard work. Please tell me what the difference is between those who do not work because they are on benefits and those who do not need to work because they have inherited money?

I will not answer your ad hominem attacks. They are the last refuge of the fool. However seeing as you know me so well,you would already know that is my view.

If people such as yourself do not like me,I am doing something right. Also I teach adults and not children.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

You just get worse and worse, you really should read back on the **** that you write then go take along hard look in the mirror and admit the reason for your jealousy is your own lack of success in life. Most of these people have worked damn hard all of their lives so hopefully they get the benefit later in life and their children get some benefit when they're gone. You just want to take all of that away and give it to the lazy, workshy and feckless. Sure they're are some in life that have had money handed down to them, so what, good luck to them, i wish i'd had a silver spoon, life would have been easier but i didn't, but i worked damn hard to hopefully ensure my kids will be okay. Theres the key word "worked", work and study, there's absolutely no reason why anyone in this country who educates themselves and pushes themselves, works hard can't be successful. Anyone who says they can't has either failed, a liar or a Labour voter.

Here's a thought for you, most people who are in a successful profession and have a nice comfortable life have probably worked damn hard to get there. They worked hard through school/uni, probably got called swats, nerds and geeks by the cool and hard kids. Well guess what pal those geeks turned into people that made something of themselves, the very same people you hate and want to punish for all their hard work.

Genuine question - why should those that have worked hard to get somewhere have to prop up those that couldn't or can't be arsed.

btw none of the above is aimed at the genuinely disabled, or those that have genuinely been unlucky in life and need our help. I have the opposite view that we treat them disgracefully, like we do the old. I wouldn't have a problem paying a lot more taxes if i knew if was going to the genuinely needy. But when its someone who just wants to have a chilled easy life, doesn't want to work, or pretends they have a disability...... If they want more from taxes then **** them they're *****, no person SHOULD get benefits only those that are needy. There was a poster on here who posted a couple of months ago, it might have been dza i can't remember, but he said he can't be arsed pushing himself, he's happy at his level, getting topped up by benefits....... fine thats his choice if he's happy, but then don't keep coming asking for more and more because others have worked hard and have more.

Show me someone who worked hard and did well in school and at uni and doesn't/or couldn't have a decent career if they wanted...... i bet you can't.

I've said it before but the fact that people with your mindset are teaching our children is just wrong, very wrong.

Should the banking sector and big business get benefits ?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

No one is asking anyone to sell of anything,stop being a drama queen. What I am proposing is a wealth tax that stops people hording money. Why should people just inherit a fortune they have done nothing to contribute to apart from coming out of the right Vagina ? I thought you were an advocate of hard work ?

That is why the is an inheritance tax, although I think the limit should be raised. I want the money and assets I have worked for in this life going to what I want. The main beneficiary will be my son but also to a lesser extent the Lifeboat association.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Should the banking sector and big business get benefits ?

Nope maybe tax cuts to promote growth in that sector, apparently technical financial services are a new part of our economy and the start ups taking on the traditional banks in the city are booming, so I read.

The banks should not even be able to pay bonuses till every penny we lent them is paid back.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

That is why the is an inheritance tax, although I think the limit should be raised. I want the money and assets I have worked for in this life going to what I want. The main beneficiary will be my son but also to a lesser extent the Lifeboat association.

Yes,I would increase that. Though good choices on where you are sending it. Just as with all taxes there would be deductions for charitable donations.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

Nope maybe tax cuts to promote growth in that sector, apparently technical financial services are a new part of our economy and the start ups taking on the traditional banks in the city are booming, so I read.

The banks should not even be able to pay bonuses till every penny we lent them is paid back.

Spot on,however we both know this is not happening. In fact our chancellor went to Brussels to fight a cap on bonuses.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Spot on,however we both know this is not happening. In fact our chancellor went to Brussels to fight a cap on bonuses.

Bankers and Brussels hmmm two things I am very unfond of.

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

Bankers and Brussels hmmm two things I am very unfond of.

Lol. Anyway people I would love to stay and take some more of your personal abuse. However my work is finished for today. I started at 7 encase you cry about me being lazy. I am off out to knock on doors,and to try and convince people to vote for the Labour party{who often **** me off for being too right wing}

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

Right seeing as you seem to know me so well,please tell me where exactly I feel I have failed in life.

The rest is just people get what they deserve philosophy than can be disproved in many ways,Bob Diamond Adebyaor, Boris Johnson.

I am not against people getting money by being good at their job. I am against people inheriting larges swathes of money. It is not meritocratic and it does not even meet your cult of hard work. Please tell me what the difference is between those who do not work because they are on benefits and those who do not need to work because they have inherited money?

I will not answer your ad hominem attacks. They are the last refuge of the fool. However seeing as you know me so well,you would already know that is my view.

If people such as yourself do not like me,I am doing something right. Also I teach adults and not children.

People get paid what markets dictate, do i think some people are worth what they get paid, No, am i sat here at home getting angry about it, No. Good luck to them though, i hop one day i might land a million pound contract in my line of work, if i don't, fair enough.

Why shouldn't i be able to hand down the money that i worked hard for and earned in life to my children, why should it go to someone else, i've already paid tax on it and they're going to tax me again when i die? Actually just on that subject remind me what our dear old friend Tony Benn, man of the people, staunch Labour man, socialist did with his affairs when he died? Thats right he made sure none of it went to the taxman...... do as i says not do as i do......typical labour champagne bushtit.

Someone who works hard delivering parcels or stacking shelves to someone who works in business or in a bank. They probably all put more hours in than they should, most people work hard. The difference is that those that want to do that bit better in life won't settle for a low paid job, they will work even harder, study even harder, push themselves even harder to make sure they don't have to do a job they don't want to do. Whatever background you come from you can get on in life, sure it won't be as easy as someone who comes from wealth but deal with it.

Whats the difference between a man who inherits money and a man that gets benefits (not those disabled or in real need)....... One has had parents/grandparents or whoever that worked hard and earned that money, the other probably has parents that taught them to vote Labour, that life's not fair and benefits should be a right.

 

[Baleforce]

am i reading this wrong, is someone really suggesting that when we die our kids shouldn't inherit what we had?

if so it's ludicrous, i work my *******s off in a stressful job everyday to make my kids life as easy as possible (now and later), i don't do it for my own benefit, i'm sure its the same for most parents

my ideal scenario, is that is my kids, and their kids, never have to worry about money, ever

whats wrong with that?

 

[scaramanga]

whats wrong with that?

It makes some people jealous.

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

am i reading this wrong, is someone really suggesting that when we die our kids shouldn't inherit what we had?

if so it's ludicrous, i work my *******s off in a stressful job everyday to make my kids life as easy as possible (now and later), i don't do it for my own benefit, i'm sure its the same for most parents

my ideal scenario, is that is my kids, and their kids, never have to worry about money, ever

whats wrong with that?

They hide behind this big sham known as socialism, saying we should all be in it together. Its the biggest con known to man, what it really means is we don't have what you lot have but we should have it, even if we haven't worked for it, its only fair. You never, ever see a socialist giving away his wealth, look at Blair, look at Brown, look at Milliand, they're all millionaires, theyre all two faced *****. At least the Tories want people to succeed in life and make something of themselves.

I bet he won't discuss that hero of his Tony Benn and what he did with his estate when he died. They're hypocrites the lot of them, their politics are borne of jealousy and envy.