Davinson Sanchez

[DeanoAustin]

We all know he's not good enough, but it's either you are totally crap and should never kick a ball again or you're the greatest player ever, no middle ground or balance in views just extremes.

This here is the danger of stats. Someone plucks a stat like this and draws the conclusion that Sanchez must be the cause of the clean sheets. It was obvious then that it was a freak stat and Sanchez was never the difference maker albeit he was playing pretty well. Just like he's not deserving of booing from his own support now. I hope none of the brainless idiots on Saturday were quoting the clean sheet stat in August.

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

Explain to me what is so impressive about him? What has he done to show he is ready? As I previously said, I don't know if he's ready, I don't see enough of him, I'll leave it to those that do see him everyday to make the judgement.

He has stood out consistently in his current age group, that is generally considered to be an indicator he is ready to step up or does he need to show he is the next Varane in order to be ready to help our suspect defence which is lacking in the specialist role of left sided centre back, especially when our defence as evidenced at the weekend falls apart when there is no one comfortable performing that role.

Your sole argument not to pick him is ‘oh he isn’t being picked therefore he is isn’t ready’. As I already told you that viewpoint is flawed as it puts total faith in our failed management group.

How you can prefer Sanchez over him is frankly beyond belief.

 

[DeanoAustin]

He has stood out consistently in his current age group, that is generally considered to be an indicator he is ready to step up or does he need to show he is the next Varane in order to be ready to help our suspect defence which is lacking in the specialist role of left sided centre back, especially when our defence as evidenced at the weekend falls apart when there is no one comfortable performing that role.

Your sole argument not to pick him is ‘oh he isn’t being picked therefore he is isn’t ready’. As I already told you that viewpoint is flawed as it puts total faith in our failed management group.

How you can prefer Sanchez over him is frankly beyond belief.

Beyond belief? That he prefers a Colombian international who has played in the World Cup over a 20 year old unproven Estonian international?

Right or wrong, it's hardly beyond belief.

 

[DubSpur]

He has stood out consistently in his current age group, that is generally considered to be an indicator he is ready to step up or does he need to show he is the next Varane in order to be ready to help our suspect defence which is lacking in the specialist role of left sided centre back, especially when our defence as evidenced at the weekend falls apart when there is no one comfortable performing that role.

Your sole argument not to pick him is ‘oh he isn’t being picked therefore he is isn’t ready’. As I already told you that viewpoint is flawed as it puts total faith in our failed management group.

How you can prefer Sanchez over him is frankly beyond belief.

He has stood out consistently in his age group just like Parrott and Scarlet did. Supporters were crying out for the two of them to get starts saying they were ready based off performances in under age football (which is at best the equivalent to league 2) and 5 min cameos here and there, just like you are doing now. Their managers at the time said they were not ready and guess what, their loan spells have proved they were not ready and probably still aren't.

My viewpoint is flawed because I put my trust in the judgement of highly paid professionals that see the player every day over that of some bloke on a forum that shows little football knowledge beyond it's ok to boo a player at his first bad touch? I'll stick with my flawed viewpoint thanks very much.

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

Beyond belief? That he prefers a Colombian international who has played in the World Cup over a 20 year old unproven Estonian international?

Right or wrong, it's hardly beyond belief.

Sanchez is not the same player we signed mate. He has gradually got worse over the years to the point that he is no longer good enough to play for a PL team. Add to that his confidence is shot, he makes frequent errors, struggles to control the ball from time to time, does through balls to the opposition attackers and does flying spinning rolly polly’s.

When he came on at the weekend and we had no one capable of playing left centre back our defence totally fell apart. I’m sorry but I’m taking the Estonian who can play that role naturally, not upset the apple cart and I’m quite sure wont be doing all the comical nonsense that goes with Sanchez.

For me it absolutely is beyond belief, that’s my opinion on it. You guys are welcome to yours but my ghod its unbelievable!

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

He has stood out consistently in his age group just like Parrott and Scarlet did. Supporters were crying out for the two of them to get starts saying they were ready based off performances in under age football (which is at best the equivalent to league 2) and 5 min cameos here and there, just like you are doing now. Their managers at the time said they were not ready and guess what, their loan spells have proved they were not ready and probably still aren't.

My viewpoint is flawed because I put my trust in the judgement of highly paid professionals that see the player every day over that of some bloke on a forum that shows little football knowledge beyond it's ok to boo a player at his first bad touch? I'll stick with my flawed viewpoint thanks very much.

I’m sure I can pick plenty of kids across europe who belatedly got their chance due to injuries to more established players and subsequently made their breakthrough and kept their place.

With regards Sanchez you really think that those that boo’d him did it off the back of one bad touch? It was on the back of his appalling decline over 6 years. Also I said I wouldn’t have done it nor do I condone it but you go ahead and straw man if you need to.

 

[DubSpur]

I’m sure I can pick plenty of kids across europe who belatedly got their chance due to injuries to more established players and subsequently made their breakthrough and kept their place.

With regards Sanchez you really think that those that boo’d him did it off the back of one bad touch? It was on the back of his appalling decline over 6 years. Also I said I wouldn’t have done it nor do I condone it but you go ahead and straw man if you need to.

You still haven't provided any evidence that Paskotsi is ready. You're the one with the strawman if you want to go down that road.
I never said Sanchez was the solution, saying there's no evidence that Paskotsi is ready and it's not right to throw him into a defence that is brick as ours is totally different to saying we should go with Sanchez. There's loads of alternatives than using Paskotsi or Sanchez, simply going to a back 4 is the most obvious.

And yes, his first bad touch was booed, it was stupid beyond belief and was only going to result in him going into his shell and being more nervous.

 

[spurspinter1]

And yes, his first bad touch was booed, it was stupid beyond belief and was only going to result in him going into his shell and being more nervous.

If we're talking about the touch before the 1st goal, I do think it's a fairer reflection to say it was a collective groan rather than booing although it obviously escalated to booing later once the car crash performance steadily unfolded.

Some may say it's a tomatoes/ toma(h)tos thing but it's actually quite hard to conceal a groan / tut / sigh as it's a natural reaction, whereas booing obviously takes more effort and a pro active decision to be an arsehole about it.

 

[Bishop]

He plays right when I’ve seen him play
But I agree
I can’t understand why he hasn’t been given a sniff of a chance where we persevere with players who are allergic to a football

Because we don't select players who haven't already been established elsewhere. We talk the talk about a youth system but we either are not developing the goods or lack the balls to play the youth. The latter reason would be obvious, our coaches typically can not afford to blood prospects due to the high risk of failure versus their future employment.



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[Bedfordspurs]

Because we don't select players who haven't already been established elsewhere. We talk the talk about a youth system but we either are not developing the goods or lack the balls to play the youth. The latter reason would be obvious, our coaches typically can not afford to blood prospects due to the high risk of failure versus their future employment.



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Yet city bring in kids and give time game time
And they tend to turn out well
Instead we persevere with players who are mentally struggling …

 

[Grays_1890]

The latter reason would be obvious, our coaches typically can not afford to blood prospects due to the high risk of failure versus their future employment.

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Which ironically ends in failure because its generally those that are established that let us down.

There were def signs that youth could prevail this season if brave enough to use them in a structured way. Its been the team you can name without even having to think under Conte that let him down. We also got ourselves in a pickle with the RWB area, sending out a player who was "not ready" for the league to loan in a 50m player who is being touted as "not ready yet"....Thats sums up our season and lack of joined up thought process.

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

You still haven't provided any evidence that Paskotsi is ready. You're the one with the strawman if you want to go down that road.
I never said Sanchez was the solution, saying there's no evidence that Paskotsi is ready and it's not right to throw him into a defence that is brick as ours is totally different to saying we should go with Sanchez. There's loads of alternatives than using Paskotsi or Sanchez, simply going to a back 4 is the most obvious.

Probably would agree a back four wouldn’t be a bad shout but we are missing so many players atm who would play left back. I guess perisic but he really isn’t accustomed to play that role competently imo.

With who we have available atm I think we need to stick with a back 3 and I’d rather have romero and dier continuing in the roles they are most accustomed to and then if both davies and lenglet are out I am quite comfortable having a specialist left sided centre back in paskotsi start next to them in that role.

The alternative is a car crash of combinations moving romero and dier around to accommodate sanchez. We saw the results of this at the weekend and it wasn’t good. All three of them looked lost.

 

[totalspurs]

To be honest I think if we played a 3 at the back then, playing a kid alongside two experienced CB is not a bad idea.
I don't think the fans would ever get on his back like they would for Sanchez as they would be more encouraging of a youthful team player.
Also Romero and Dier would up their game and be far more protective of a kid making his debut, than whining and moaning in frustration from Sanchez making a mistake.
Other managers do it all the time, but you have to brave to make that call.
I don't think Stalini is brave enough to do it though as he comes from the Conte school of risk averse management.

 

[thfcsteff]

If we're talking about the touch before the 1st goal, I do think it's a fairer reflection to say it was a collective groan rather than booing although it obviously escalated to booing later once the car crash performance steadily unfolded.

Some may say it's a tomatoes/ toma(h)tos thing but it's actually quite hard to conceal a groan / tut / sigh as it's a natural reaction, whereas booing obviously takes more effort and a pro active decision to be an arsehole about it.

There were boos as he was about to come on.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

There were boos as he was about to come on.

There was for sure
Not much but some near to me (256)
And my area was one of the louder ones with more boos
There was myself and a couple in front literally shouting “how the fudge is that gonna help the guy” but we were roundly ignored

 

[Baleforce]

To be honest I think if we played a 3 at the back then, playing a kid alongside two experienced CB is not a bad idea.
I don't think the fans would ever get on his back like they would for Sanchez as they would be more encouraging of a youthful team player.
Also Romero and Dier would up their game and be far more protective of a kid making his debut, than whining and moaning in frustration from Sanchez making a mistake.
Other managers do it all the time, but you have to brave to make that call.
I don't think Stalini is brave enough to do it though as he comes from the Conte school of risk averse management.

Royal was a kid when we signed him, plenty on his back pretty much straight away.

 

[totalspurs]

Royal was a kid when we signed him, plenty on his back pretty much straight away.

True.
But I think there's a difference between how some of our stupid fans response to a youth team player being given debut to how we respond to a player we have purchased.
"One of our own" and all that...

Royal didn't get abuse straight away, and I think we are more tolerant at the beginning.

I'm not saying the kid becomes first choice CB from day one, but creating those opportunities during an injury crisis also opens the door for more opportunities for talent to come through.

What do you think the youth team players are waiting for... it's always a chance to step up when an opportunity presents itself, that's their moment.
If we don't have that philosophy, then why have a youth set-up?
Poch did it, even Harry did it...I was there at the Lane when Rose was in the team and I thought brick who the hell is he? We're f*uked tonight.

 

[Baleforce]

True.
But I think there's a difference between how some of our stupid fans response to a youth team player being given debut to how we respond to a player we have purchased.
"One of our own" and all that...

Royal didn't get abuse straight away, and I think we are more tolerant at the beginning.

I'm not saying the kid becomes first choice CB from day one, but creating those opportunities during an injury crisis also opens the door for more opportunities for talent to come through.

What do you think the youth team players are waiting for... it's always a chance to step up when an opportunity presents itself, that's their moment.
If we don't have that philosophy, then why have a youth set-up?
Poch did it, even Harry did it...I was there at the Lane when Rose was in the team and I thought brick who the hell is he? We're f*uked tonight.

I don't even think its as simple as that, Royal and Sessegnon are basically the same age, and play in roughly the same area of the pitch, one needs time and support, the other is "toxic".

I don't know what it is, it makes no sense to me, but the grading is on a curve at times.

 

[totalspurs]

I don't even think its as simple as that, Royal and Sessegnon are basically the same age, and play in roughly the same area of the pitch, one needs time and support, the other is "toxic".

I don't know what it is, it makes no sense to me, but the grading is on a curve at times.

Which one is toxic?

 

[Baleforce]

Which one is toxic?

A word thrown at Royal many times on here.