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Jimmy McCormick
Re: The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
Why?
That wouldn't really be advantageous to either club.
Why?
That wouldn't really be advantageous to either club.
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Daniel Levy's Transfer Policy Revealed
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Re: The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
Wasn't the extension for our loan of Harry Kane to Norwich? Or at least that's what Norwich said.
If we were genuinely that close to Moutinho, why are we so far away from him now? He hasn't even made a single comment in the press like last time - in fact, he's looked pretty damn happy at Porto all winter. More relevantly, where is the money for a 22m+ transfer going to come from, bearing in mind that our wages have increased since the last time we were known to be big hitters in the market, and that we have a stadium and shiny new training center to pay for (considering Lewis is about as sugardaddy as I am)? (Just for a rough estimate - does anyone have the wage bill starting this season?) If we genuinely have a grand warchest of funds, why have we become so obsessed with favorable contract situations (Pienaar, Saha, Nelsen, Holtby, Dempsey and Dembele's buyout clauses, Ade's wrangling, and now Diame, Son, and Hooper)? Maybe Levy doesn't want to give money to Redknapp, but it's our transfer committee that's been making most of our signings in the last four years and we always knew HR was only a temporary thing, so if the funds are there, why not buy the young prospects for the future anyways?
Though I do think that the new TV deal means that if there was ever a time to spend, it's now (and that's why this window is so difficult - all the agents are advising their players to wait for the summer when the market inflates).
Personally, I think Levy has done a very, very good job of getting us so close to the top tier when you look at what we are competing against financially. It was not very long ago at all that we couldn't even dream of the likes of Modric or VDV or Lloris playing for us, or out-competing Liverpool and sometimes even Arse for a signature. It is possible, I think, to fund a Moutinho and/or Willian if we stop buying so many squad players, since their wages and fees accumulate to a rather sizable total, but it is not at all easy to get rid of the likes of Hudd, Jenas, Bentley, Gomes et al - contracts go both ways! So I don't want to say that Levy is some sort of shady asshole of a chairman out to pull the wool over the eyes of poor AVB, because he works with some seriously constrained circumstances that AVB ought to have understood well beforehand. But I do believe, very roughly, JJetset's version of events re: Moutinho, bearing in mind that every ITK's sources have their own bias, because he does have a very good track record and because it fits with my own understanding of our financial situation and the "real" backroom dealings of large businesses, which never match the public reports.
Wasn't the extension for our loan of Harry Kane to Norwich? Or at least that's what Norwich said.
If we were genuinely that close to Moutinho, why are we so far away from him now? He hasn't even made a single comment in the press like last time - in fact, he's looked pretty damn happy at Porto all winter. More relevantly, where is the money for a 22m+ transfer going to come from, bearing in mind that our wages have increased since the last time we were known to be big hitters in the market, and that we have a stadium and shiny new training center to pay for (considering Lewis is about as sugardaddy as I am)? (Just for a rough estimate - does anyone have the wage bill starting this season?) If we genuinely have a grand warchest of funds, why have we become so obsessed with favorable contract situations (Pienaar, Saha, Nelsen, Holtby, Dempsey and Dembele's buyout clauses, Ade's wrangling, and now Diame, Son, and Hooper)? Maybe Levy doesn't want to give money to Redknapp, but it's our transfer committee that's been making most of our signings in the last four years and we always knew HR was only a temporary thing, so if the funds are there, why not buy the young prospects for the future anyways?
Though I do think that the new TV deal means that if there was ever a time to spend, it's now (and that's why this window is so difficult - all the agents are advising their players to wait for the summer when the market inflates).
Personally, I think Levy has done a very, very good job of getting us so close to the top tier when you look at what we are competing against financially. It was not very long ago at all that we couldn't even dream of the likes of Modric or VDV or Lloris playing for us, or out-competing Liverpool and sometimes even Arse for a signature. It is possible, I think, to fund a Moutinho and/or Willian if we stop buying so many squad players, since their wages and fees accumulate to a rather sizable total, but it is not at all easy to get rid of the likes of Hudd, Jenas, Bentley, Gomes et al - contracts go both ways! So I don't want to say that Levy is some sort of shady asshole of a chairman out to pull the wool over the eyes of poor AVB, because he works with some seriously constrained circumstances that AVB ought to have understood well beforehand. But I do believe, very roughly, JJetset's version of events re: Moutinho, bearing in mind that every ITK's sources have their own bias, because he does have a very good track record and because it fits with my own understanding of our financial situation and the "real" backroom dealings of large businesses, which never match the public reports.
Re: The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
You've been banging this drum for a while, mate, but I'm not sure that I entirely agree with you.
I'm sure that there's some truth in what you say but I think that there is another contributing factor. I also believe that Spurs would sanction the signing of a £20m + player if they felt that that represented value and the likelihood of significant team improvement.
As to why we appear to be spending less in the transfer market now, it has much to do with the fact that our wage bill is considerably higher than it was even two or three years ago. That's because, over the past few seasons, our priority has been to keep the top players that we do have rather than to buy further top players. That generally means offering significant wage rises. We shouldn't forget, either, that Spurs are still paying for players they bought up to five years ago (in the accounts at least, as a consequence of amortisation). Hence the £1.6 million loss (before interest and tax) from operating profits of £23 million, despite quite possibly making a net profit on the players actually bought and sold during the financial year.
As to financing the stadium, I don't believe that potential lenders will look at or block individual signings - even those in excess of £20 million. They will look at the accounts as a whole in order to assess what kind of a risk THFC would represent as a debtor. They will look at the club's recent financial history. They will look at its future revenue forecasts. They will look at the management. And I am fairly certain that they would conclude that Tottenham are not run by imprudent or irresponsible people. Quite the opposite, in fact.
So I would expect them to trust Spurs to invest in the team to the extent that Levy et al deem appropriate.
You've been banging this drum for a while, mate, but I'm not sure that I entirely agree with you.
I'm sure that there's some truth in what you say but I think that there is another contributing factor. I also believe that Spurs would sanction the signing of a £20m + player if they felt that that represented value and the likelihood of significant team improvement.
As to why we appear to be spending less in the transfer market now, it has much to do with the fact that our wage bill is considerably higher than it was even two or three years ago. That's because, over the past few seasons, our priority has been to keep the top players that we do have rather than to buy further top players. That generally means offering significant wage rises. We shouldn't forget, either, that Spurs are still paying for players they bought up to five years ago (in the accounts at least, as a consequence of amortisation). Hence the £1.6 million loss (before interest and tax) from operating profits of £23 million, despite quite possibly making a net profit on the players actually bought and sold during the financial year.
As to financing the stadium, I don't believe that potential lenders will look at or block individual signings - even those in excess of £20 million. They will look at the accounts as a whole in order to assess what kind of a risk THFC would represent as a debtor. They will look at the club's recent financial history. They will look at its future revenue forecasts. They will look at the management. And I am fairly certain that they would conclude that Tottenham are not run by imprudent or irresponsible people. Quite the opposite, in fact.
So I would expect them to trust Spurs to invest in the team to the extent that Levy et al deem appropriate.
Re: The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
What makes you think that negotiations were opened on deadline day?
I find it extraordinary that so many Spurs fans so frequently get hot under the collar about stories or notions that have no basis in known fact.
What makes you think that negotiations were opened on deadline day?
I find it extraordinary that so many Spurs fans so frequently get hot under the collar about stories or notions that have no basis in known fact.
Re: The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
skyfarer - I greatly enjoy your tactical posts and player evaluations.
But there are a number of things that strike a false note in the first paragraph of your post above:
Irrelevant. We had never paid over £11 million for a player until we signed Darren Bent for £16.5 million in summer 2007. It is inevitable that we will, at some point, pay in excess of £20 million for a player. And sooner rather than later is my guess. The proliferation of billionaire owned clubs in addition to the ever growing TV revenues for Premier League clubs make it certain that wage and transfer inflation will continue for the foreseeable future.
Basing an argument on information supplied by itk's is, at best, lacking in credibility.
Why would any of us have any clue as to what is or isn't happening with any of those deals? But even if you're correct, it doesn't mean that we won't sign those players (or others at a similar level) in the summer.
skyfarer - I greatly enjoy your tactical posts and player evaluations.
But there are a number of things that strike a false note in the first paragraph of your post above:
Irrelevant. We had never paid over £11 million for a player until we signed Darren Bent for £16.5 million in summer 2007. It is inevitable that we will, at some point, pay in excess of £20 million for a player. And sooner rather than later is my guess. The proliferation of billionaire owned clubs in addition to the ever growing TV revenues for Premier League clubs make it certain that wage and transfer inflation will continue for the foreseeable future.
Basing an argument on information supplied by itk's is, at best, lacking in credibility.
Why would any of us have any clue as to what is or isn't happening with any of those deals? But even if you're correct, it doesn't mean that we won't sign those players (or others at a similar level) in the summer.
Re: The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
Levy isn't really the type to pander to fans or to talk big or to make grand (but empty) gestures. He's no Simon Jordan.
Is there any truth in any of the bids that you're moaning about? Or was it all just press talk? Who knows? Not you, anyway. So banging on about it serves no purpose other than, possibly, to satisfy your own need to let off steam about your notion of having been pandered to.
I suspect - and let me stress that this is only opinion - if we did make any of these failed bids, that they would have been genuine. But only on Levy's terms which, as we know, are frequently not terms to which the other parties can agree. Seems to me to be a far more likely explanation. Levy is not a frivolous man.
Levy isn't really the type to pander to fans or to talk big or to make grand (but empty) gestures. He's no Simon Jordan.
Is there any truth in any of the bids that you're moaning about? Or was it all just press talk? Who knows? Not you, anyway. So banging on about it serves no purpose other than, possibly, to satisfy your own need to let off steam about your notion of having been pandered to.
I suspect - and let me stress that this is only opinion - if we did make any of these failed bids, that they would have been genuine. But only on Levy's terms which, as we know, are frequently not terms to which the other parties can agree. Seems to me to be a far more likely explanation. Levy is not a frivolous man.
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indianspur
Guest
Re: The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
yep
imo Spurs are always in for top players, but simply dont bid nowhere enough. Fair enough, no harm in trying
yep
imo Spurs are always in for top players, but simply dont bid nowhere enough. Fair enough, no harm in trying
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
This is the piece that I was referring to
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...d-out-on-Portos-Joao-Moutinho-by-minutes.html
This is the piece that I was referring to
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...d-out-on-Portos-Joao-Moutinho-by-minutes.html
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
How can Levy expect 4th when he doesn't give the managers the cash to get it? 2 seasons in a row he's just sitting there and watching us struggle with injuries and not done a single thing about it.
How can Levy expect 4th when he doesn't give the managers the cash to get it? 2 seasons in a row he's just sitting there and watching us struggle with injuries and not done a single thing about it.
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
Yep so true but do you think it will change I can't see it ?
Yep so true but do you think it will change I can't see it ?
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
He'll make 5 more bids of 50k-100k before agreeing a deal for Holtby if we're lucky. As for a striker he'll wait to see what will be thrown our way and act if he can get a big discount. It's shocking that he's doing this to us again.
He'll make 5 more bids of 50k-100k before agreeing a deal for Holtby if we're lucky. As for a striker he'll wait to see what will be thrown our way and act if he can get a big discount. It's shocking that he's doing this to us again.
lurker of old
Gus Poyet
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
The annoying thing about the Holtby negotiation is that had he started, we might well have won. The extra £500k or whatever we are argueing about would have been more than recouped in the next round grrrr!
The annoying thing about the Holtby negotiation is that had he started, we might well have won. The extra £500k or whatever we are argueing about would have been more than recouped in the next round grrrr!
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
Throwing a new player into that kind of niggling championship quality away game, its more likely he would have been castigated as brick and a failure. We need a striker more than Holtby. Put the half a mil towards a forward.
Throwing a new player into that kind of niggling championship quality away game, its more likely he would have been castigated as brick and a failure. We need a striker more than Holtby. Put the half a mil towards a forward.
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
It is bizarre to have this tactic that is faulty on almost every level. That even the sole argument of saving money is useless when weighed against the cost to the manager who is trying to put a team together especially during the summer when players cant even get a preseason in.
Someone needs to tell Levy for every VDV there is a Frazier Campbell or a Saha...
It is bizarre to have this tactic that is faulty on almost every level. That even the sole argument of saving money is useless when weighed against the cost to the manager who is trying to put a team together especially during the summer when players cant even get a preseason in.
Someone needs to tell Levy for every VDV there is a Frazier Campbell or a Saha...
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
People seem to have trouble understanding that it is not only the purchase amount that determines whether it is worth the price to acquire the player. We have with our revenue, a salary cap that must be followed, we can not have too many players who earn 70-90 a week. So many players we dream of falls not on price but on their wage demands, thinks that even supporters should be able to see the whole picture unless you are 14 and think that money comes out of the machine on the wall when you need them.
People seem to have trouble understanding that it is not only the purchase amount that determines whether it is worth the price to acquire the player. We have with our revenue, a salary cap that must be followed, we can not have too many players who earn 70-90 a week. So many players we dream of falls not on price but on their wage demands, thinks that even supporters should be able to see the whole picture unless you are 14 and think that money comes out of the machine on the wall when you need them.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
The transfer tactic that has brought us to where we are now and has seen us sign some outstanding players in recent years is "faulty on every level"?
Saving money that can then later be used on other players is useless?
The transfer tactic that has brought us to where we are now and has seen us sign some outstanding players in recent years is "faulty on every level"?
Saving money that can then later be used on other players is useless?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
Did you read the latest financial report in the FFP thread?
We made a solid operating profit last financial year, but after football trading we were down a bit over £4m.
It's not like money is being taken out of the club.
Did you read the latest financial report in the FFP thread?
We made a solid operating profit last financial year, but after football trading we were down a bit over £4m.
It's not like money is being taken out of the club.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
I don't read any of that stuff.
I see us achieve 13th place in the richest clubs in the world list, i see us paying low wages in comparison to our rivals, i see us selling players for big cash, and i see us make a 22m bid for a player on transfer dealing day and naturally think there's money to spend.
I don't read any of that stuff.
I see us achieve 13th place in the richest clubs in the world list, i see us paying low wages in comparison to our rivals, i see us selling players for big cash, and i see us make a 22m bid for a player on transfer dealing day and naturally think there's money to spend.