Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Grays_1890]

I don't see the problem here. He asked why he was playing Kane instead of an established player.
When Dim Tim asked was he being told not to play Kane Levy said no. So he was leaving it up to the manager.
Baldini thought we should sell Kane, Levy got the mangers input.
What is wrong with any of that?

Tim "I made Harry Kane" Sherwood story...........thats what it sounds like to me

 

[harr1984]

If the DOF has spent all summer bringing in players and the clubs spent I think its reasonable to discuss why they might not be playing for at the time a kid with a poor record. As I have said it sounds embellished for me as does the portrayed hard man act that goes with the story.

Also the reason I don't buy the whole tone is that Tim was a club man at the time, was very close to Levy, used that influence and relationship to get the job, that only broke down when he had his time cut short and it soured. But till then he had Levys ear. As I say, some truth no doubt, fully true? Hmmmm not too sure

Even if the story was exactly as he has described I don't see the problem. Levy spends almost 30m on a striker and is benched for a young striker Baldini thinks isn't good enough by a caretaker manager? I'd be more concerned if Levy didn't want to find out what was going on.

Sherwood was adamant Kane could do the job, and Levy let him get on with it. Nothing to see here....

 

[DeanoAustin]

How do you know it was economic? He has a DoF telling him a player isn't good enough and then he's in the team.

Sherwood mentions that Levy said by playing Kane and benching Soldado, the latter was being devalued.

If there was a regular discussion on team matters, this wouldn’t be so bad. As Sherwood tells it, this was an exceptional meeting instigated because Kane was being picked over Soldado and Levy was worried about the impact on Soldado’s value.

Assuming the story is true, this is passive aggressive pressuring of the coach on team selection. Even Jordan, a perennial defender of Levy and former club owner, doesn’t try to pass it off as normal.

 

[Bishop]

I don't doubt that questions get asked on why a youth team player is playing ahead of players worth nearly 100m and change in wages. Also this seems to be Tim playing off the back otlf success of Kane now to make a conversation back then before he even scored a goal seem worse than it is. No one knew Kane was going to be this good then, Tim always wanted the credit for his development so I take the embellished parts with a pinch of salt rather than this billy big potatoes act he proclaims here.

Tim was hounded out of Swindon for being a wally, he is still a wally

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You can't say no one knew Kane was going to be good when YTS specifically chose to play him over the established first teamers. I don't rate YTS at all but he clearly had the vision and foresight to some some degree of real potential in Kane. You can not deny that or dismiss it because you don't like the whole story.

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[Grays_1890]

You can't say no one knew Kane was going to be good when YTS specifically chose to play him over the established first teamers. I don't rate YTS at all but he clearly had the vision and foresight to some some degree of real potential in Kane. You can not deny that or dismiss it because you don't like the whole story.

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Im not dismissing it but there was a period where the strikers were in trouble and he rolled the dice. He might have fought he was going to be a good striker but he has been on a tour in life proclaiming to have near sole responsibility for his career and was all knowing. Some truth laced with elements of "Arry" magic of always knowing he was going to be a top top player

And Also you reasoning is why I think the story has been reimagined for recent issues. Tim and Levy were close, hence he got the job, Kane would have had tabs on him from Tim who had Levys ear, the youth system would have had stats and info on him, so if the idea was Kane was the next big thing, which there may well have been, then Levy would have been in receipt of all that, Kanes excellence would not have been Tims little secret. For all Levys faults, if someone came to him and said "this lad who cost you nothing is going to be worth at least 30m in two years" you think he would sell him for 600k?

I don't doubt we make mistakes and there are high level convos and conflicts like anywhere, but abit like the guy who put the boot in and made up a story about Mane working with Poch previously and Poch being angry on missing out of him for that reason. Truths with added spice and inaccuracies to put the boot in from ex employees....

Edit: Time has even contradicted his tone and story of how that transfer bid came abotu and how Levy dealt with it.....Revealed: How close Leicester City came to 'nonsense' Harry Kane transfer - Leicestershire Live (leicestermercury.co.uk)

 

[DTA]

Seriously don’t see anything wrong with what levy done there. His DOF was telling him Harry wasn’t good enough, so he asked his manager’s opinion.

his manager gave his opinion and was told to crack on.

What would you have liked him to have done?

not have the conversation in the first place therefore completely ignoring his experienced DOF’s opinion?

or

back his experienced DOF without consulting his manager for his opinion?

 

[Baleforce]

"I'm not sure what Levy has done here but I know he was wrong".

 

[Grays_1890]

Seriously don’t see anything wrong with what levy done there. His DOF was telling him Harry wasn’t good enough, so he asked his manager’s opinion.

his manager gave his opinion and was told to crack on.

What would you have liked him to have done?

not have the conversation in the first place therefore completely ignoring his experienced DOF’s opinion?

or

back his experienced DOF without consulting his manager for his opinion?

Exactly this, in the article that came out earlier Sherwood even says that Levy was basically moderating a difference of opinions, which he should do when the manager and DOF are conflicted. He trusted the manager to prove his point (in Tims own words) and he did and the rest is history. Tims then subsequently added the Die Hard act for the glory and soundbites about "well you can be in dugout and manage" etc....

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Sherwood mentions that Levy said by playing Kane and benching Soldado, the latter was being devalued.

If there was a regular discussion on team matters, this wouldn’t be so bad. As Sherwood tells it, this was an exceptional meeting instigated because Kane was being picked over Soldado and Levy was worried about the impact on Soldado’s value.

Assuming the story is true, this is passive aggressive pressuring of the coach on team selection. Even Jordan, a perennial defender of Levy and former club owner, doesn’t try to pass it off as normal.

What's the use of passive aggressiveness in the football world, let alone towards someone like Sherwood. If he told him straight out not to play him, fair enough. This approach was never going to get Kane out of the starting XI.

 

[Bishop]

Exactly this, in the article that came out earlier Sherwood even says that Levy was basically moderating a difference of opinions, which he should do when the manager and DOF are conflicted. He trusted the manager to prove his point (in Tims own words) and he did and the rest is history. Tims then subsequently added the Die Hard act for the glory and soundbites about "well you can be in dugout and manage" etc....

Tbf the "you be in the dugout and manage" bit wasn't actually something he claimed to have said but instead it was in response to a what if proposition.



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[DeanoAustin]

What's the use of passive aggressiveness in the football world, let alone towards someone like Sherwood. If he told him straight out not to play him, fair enough. This approach was never going to get Kane out of the starting XI.

The same as it is in every other walk of life. It puts pressure on the manager the next time he's making a decision. So Levy knew he couldn't really dictate team selection to Sherwood but by questioning it in that way, Sherwood has in the back of his head "Do I want to be brought to Levy's office by Baldini if I don't select the 'right team'" in future.

Sherwood would also have wanted the position on a permanent basis at that point. By tinkling off the fella who'd make the decision to hire him, his chances of getting the gig permanently decrease.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

By tinkling off the fella who'd make the decision to hire him, his chances of getting the gig permanently decrease.

Decrease from zero

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

The same as it is in every other walk of life. It puts pressure on the manager the next time he's making a decision. So Levy knew he couldn't really dictate team selection to Sherwood but by questioning it in that way, Sherwood has in the back of his head "Do I want to be brought to Levy's office by Baldini if I don't select the 'right team'" in future.

Sherwood would also have wanted the position on a permanent basis at that point. By tinkling off the fella who'd make the decision to hire him, his chances of getting the gig permanently decrease.

And also as you have said multiple times Levy referenced the potential decline in Soldado’s economic value.

That is the kicker here and is interestingly being ignored by others…

 

[tommysvr]

Jeez things are rough when people are happily backing a Tim Sherwood story.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Jeez things are rough when people are happily backing a Tim Sherwood story.

Just shows that when you have an axe to grind you'll even take the nonsense that Sherwood spouts as gospel.

 

[Mcfee]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Levy's last roll of the dice for me was Conte. That failed - his credibility is gone. Levy should go. It's his club and he can't be forced out but he's holding us back.

It’s Conte’s credibility that has gone imo. He let the club down.

 

[Mrs Vert]

It’s Conte’s credibility that has gone imo. He let the club down.

I don't think it has too much. There is narrative around Spurs that before or after players and managers leave and can win things.
Next manager to come and go and Levy will always be mentioned

 

[Mcfee]

I don't think it has too much. There is narrative around Spurs that before or after players and managers leave and can win things.
Next manager to come and go and Levy will always be mentioned

Conte will have no problem getting another big job. And he’ll probably win trophies. That doesn’t change the fact that he underwhelmed hugely at Spurs. And you’re right, there’s a ready made excuse - “it’s Spurs”. It gives people like Conte and Jose a free pass.
But back to the original point, that Levy should resign because Conte failed? I don’t agree with that.

 

[RunTMC]

Sherwood mentions that Levy said by playing Kane and benching Soldado, the latter was being devalued.

If there was a regular discussion on team matters, this wouldn’t be so bad. As Sherwood tells it, this was an exceptional meeting instigated because Kane was being picked over Soldado and Levy was worried about the impact on Soldado’s value.

Assuming the story is true, this is passive aggressive pressuring of the coach on team selection. Even Jordan, a perennial defender of Levy and former club owner, doesn’t try to pass it off as normal.

I see where you’re coming from and the points are valid.

I guess the question is what would you like Levy to have done when presented with a difference of opinion between between DOF and manager?

I think what you’re saying is he should have stayed out of it and let them both sort it out between themselves. In that instance the outcome would probably have been Soldado stays and plays and Kane is sold. Without his intervention that’s probably what would have happened.

I find it fascinating how different conclusions can be drawn from the same information. That’s one of the great things about this board as you get to understand both sides.

This story is being used to demonstrate how Levy is only interested in the economics rather than football. I actually interpreted it the other way around. The economic play would be to back the DOF, keep the £26m asset and sell Kane. But he chose to back the manager and devalue the asset. Sounds like he chose football over money to me.

Anyway it’s all a bit academic really, as hindsight shows the right decision was made in the end.

 

[metalgear]

It’s Conte’s credibility that has gone imo. He let the club down.

Time will tell... When the new coach gets appointed. Slot can't be bothered with us, so I'm inclined to think that the club's reputation has already taken a hit. But we will see...

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