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Daniel Levy - Chairman

The bigger you are, the less often it happens. Even those clubs prey on each other occasionally.

Oh, and Napoli and Bilbao as notable *general* exceptions (in that they lose their players *less* often than clubs of a comparable size) - Bilbao because they tell suitors to f*ck off and not come back until they're ready to pay the release clauses they set for their players, and Napoli because Aurelio De Laurentiis is a nightmare to negotiate with and because players seem to have a weird attachment to the club and the area it's in (Hamsik, for example, was linked around Europe for quite a few years, but then the rumors died as it became apparent that he was utterly unwilling to leave Napoli - ever).
 
Based on Ajax's post we are the only club to do that. A whole new squad every season.

con·stant·ly
ˈkänst(ə)ntlē/
adverb
  1. continuously over a period of time; always.
    "the world is constantly changing"
    synonyms: always, all the time, continually, continuously, persistently; More

I'm talking about why this Club has become absolutely pathetic since the mid 80s and since then only won one trophy of note.

The issue is selling our best players which we have done constantly over the last 32 years.

That is the reason why we have one fa cup to our name in 32 years.

The list is endless and if we actually had some ambition and a backbone from 85 onwards we would have likely won a few league titles, some more fa cups and a European cup/CL.

But instead we have a small club mentality that has resulted in an absolutely pathetic trophy haul in the last 32 years.

But don't worry I've got this bought for 9m and sold for 59m thing to hang onto and also a lot of people on here keep saying 'onwards and upwards'.

So when their all bragging about their trophies I will firstly quote the 9m/59m thing and if that doesn't work I will hit them with the 'onwards and upwards'.

Cheers
 
If we increased our top salary by 50%, we could still be blown out of the water by Chelsea, City and Man U

Read my post 6 mins before yours - I explicitly said that we would never be able to compete with them however we should gradually be able to compete more with arse and liverpoo
 
Read my post 6 mins before yours - I explicitly said that we would never be able to compete with them however we should gradually be able to compete more with arse and liverpoo

That's cool and I agree. I think that there is a long way to go before we make real inroads into the financial gap between us and them. It will take a sustained period of top four finishes before we can really start to make ground. The real money is in international merchandising and TV rights, not the stadium and those fans are following success.
 
Well credit to Levy. He ensured that all season tickets were sold before selling one of our first team to Emirates Marketing Project.
 
I'm talking about why this Club has become absolutely pathetic since the mid 80s and since then only won one trophy of note.

The issue is selling our best players which we have done constantly over the last 32 years.

That is the reason why we have one fa cup to our name in 32 years.

The list is endless and if we actually had some ambition and a backbone from 85 onwards we would have likely won a few league titles, some more fa cups and a European cup/CL.

But instead we have a small club mentality that has resulted in an absolutely pathetic trophy haul in the last 32 years.

But don't worry I've got this bought for 9m and sold for 59m thing to hang onto and also a lot of people on here keep saying 'onwards and upwards'.

So when their all bragging about their trophies I will firstly quote the 9m/59m thing and if that doesn't work I will hit them with the 'onwards and upwards'.

Cheers

Have you missed the last two - trophyless - years that have shown the evolution of Tottenham Hotspur? Have you not sent the tangible changes since Poch arrived at the club? Have you not watched the brilliant football we have played? I understand the historical perspective and frustration but I am also able to enjoy the progress. And my 9-59 million post was purely about LEVY and what he has done in the transfer market. I don't celebrate profit like I celebrated Tony Parks saving that penalty in '84, but I am optimistic enough to be happy about where we are headed.

And if we CONSTANTLY sell our best players why do we still have Kane, Dele, Wanyama, Dembele, Toby, Hugo, Vertongeh, Rose and Eriksen? By your logic they would all have been sold.
 
I'm talking about why this Club has become absolutely pathetic since the mid 80s and since then only won one trophy of note.
The issue is selling our best players which we have done constantly over the last 32 years.
That is the reason why we have one fa cup to our name in 32 years.

The list is endless and if we actually had some ambition and a backbone from 85 onwards we would have likely won a few league titles, some more fa cups and a European cup/CL.
But instead we have a small club mentality that has resulted in an absolutely pathetic trophy haul in the last 32 years.
But don't worry I've got this bought for 9m and sold for 59m thing to hang onto and also a lot of people on here keep saying 'onwards and upwards'.
So when their all bragging about their trophies I will firstly quote the 9m/59m thing and if that doesn't work I will hit them with the 'onwards and upwards'.

Cheers

That's your interpretation of history, and the only thing you got right was our lack of success in that period

We struggled from the time of Sugar buying us, (we regularly finished in top 4 in ten years prior) until Levy, basically how the club was run/decisions made in the 10 years under Sugar has cost us 16 years post to recover from and get back to similar position (i.e. actually contending).

However in that time, two things have changed, PL/CL money cam along and completely changed the rewards for a small group of clubs (United/Scum & Pool made the most of it) and money doping clubs arrived (City/Cheat$ki).

Lack of revenue has cost us, not "small club mentality", this is a fact, look at the revenue stream of everyone we compete with consistently and we are generally earning 50% or more less.

As per above, United, Pool & Scum took advantage of early PL years and CL revenue to build a buffer and grow their brand, City/Chelsea cheat, who else is even close to our level? West Ham, Everton, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Southampton, Leeds, etc. have all tried your "big time" mentality, did they get anything? are they better off for their strategy vs. ours?

I would argue we probably should have fluked a trophy or two more along the way, but what difference would it make? If we won 2 FA Cups in last 10 years, would that have satisfied you? I'm a Spurs fan through and through, but you might as well argue why hasn't every club outside of City/Cheat$ki/Scum/Pool/United won anything regular in last 20 years, answer is the same for all, i.e. = money.

The difference for us (right now) is there is light at the end of the tunnel, the 2nd/3rd places, the current squad, Poch, the stadium, NFL, sponsorship deals show its possible (still a lot could go wrong) that in 2 or 3 or 5 years we will be closer to a competitive footing with those other clubs. No other club can say that, I'd argue no other club in Europe is closer to breaking the establishment than us.

If you think onwards and upwards is dismissible, I don't know what to say. I will say 4 years ago, I couldn't see how Spurs would compete (even with Bale/Modric/etc.) for the PL in my lifetime (certainly not in immediate future). Yet I have watched a club you accuse of "small time mentality" being the only legitimate challenger for the title two years in a row.
 
That's your interpretation of history, and the only thing you got right was our lack of success in that period

We struggled from the time of Sugar buying us, (we regularly finished in top 4 in ten years prior) until Levy, basically how the club was run/decisions made in the 10 years under Sugar has cost us 16 years post to recover from and get back to similar position (i.e. actually contending).

However in that time, two things have changed, PL/CL money cam along and completely changed the rewards for a small group of clubs (United/Scum & Pool made the most of it) and money doping clubs arrived (City/Cheat$ki).

Lack of revenue has cost us, not "small club mentality", this is a fact, look at the revenue cat video on youtube of everyone we compete with consistently and we are generally earning 50% or more less.

As per above, United, Pool & Scum took advantage of early PL years and CL revenue to build a buffer and grow their brand, City/Chelsea cheat, who else is even close to our level? West Ham, Everton, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Southampton, Leeds, etc. have all tried your "big time" mentality, did they get anything? are they better off for their strategy vs. ours?

I would argue we probably should have fluked a trophy or two more along the way, but what difference would it make? If we won 2 FA Cups in last 10 years, would that have satisfied you? I'm a Spurs fan through and through, but you might as well argue why hasn't every club outside of City/Cheat$ki/Scum/Pool/United won anything regular in last 20 years, answer is the same for all, i.e. = money.

The difference for us (right now) is there is light at the end of the tunnel, the 2nd/3rd places, the current squad, Poch, the stadium, NFL, sponsorship deals show its possible (still a lot could go wrong) that in 2 or 3 or 5 years we will be closer to a competitive footing with those other clubs. No other club can say that, I'd argue no other club in Europe is closer to breaking the establishment than us.

If you think onwards and upwards is dismissible, I don't know what to say. I will say 4 years ago, I couldn't see how Spurs would compete (even with Bale/Modric/etc.) for the PL in my lifetime (certainly not in immediate future). Yet I have watched a club you accuse of "small time mentality" being the only legitimate challenger for the title two years in a row.
That post deserves a round of applause.
 
That's your interpretation of history, and the only thing you got right was our lack of success in that period

We struggled from the time of Sugar buying us, (we regularly finished in top 4 in ten years prior) until Levy, basically how the club was run/decisions made in the 10 years under Sugar has cost us 16 years post to recover from and get back to similar position (i.e. actually contending).

However in that time, two things have changed, PL/CL money cam along and completely changed the rewards for a small group of clubs (United/Scum & Pool made the most of it) and money doping clubs arrived (City/Cheat$ki).

Lack of revenue has cost us, not "small club mentality", this is a fact, look at the revenue cat video on youtube of everyone we compete with consistently and we are generally earning 50% or more less.

As per above, United, Pool & Scum took advantage of early PL years and CL revenue to build a buffer and grow their brand, City/Chelsea cheat, who else is even close to our level? West Ham, Everton, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Southampton, Leeds, etc. have all tried your "big time" mentality, did they get anything? are they better off for their strategy vs. ours?

I would argue we probably should have fluked a trophy or two more along the way, but what difference would it make? If we won 2 FA Cups in last 10 years, would that have satisfied you? I'm a Spurs fan through and through, but you might as well argue why hasn't every club outside of City/Cheat$ki/Scum/Pool/United won anything regular in last 20 years, answer is the same for all, i.e. = money.

The difference for us (right now) is there is light at the end of the tunnel, the 2nd/3rd places, the current squad, Poch, the stadium, NFL, sponsorship deals show its possible (still a lot could go wrong) that in 2 or 3 or 5 years we will be closer to a competitive footing with those other clubs. No other club can say that, I'd argue no other club in Europe is closer to breaking the establishment than us.

If you think onwards and upwards is dismissible, I don't know what to say. I will say 4 years ago, I couldn't see how Spurs would compete (even with Bale/Modric/etc.) for the PL in my lifetime (certainly not in immediate future). Yet I have watched a club you accuse of "small time mentality" being the only legitimate challenger for the title two years in a row.

Post of the Year imo
 
I'm talking about why this Club has become absolutely pathetic since the mid 80s and since then only won one trophy of note.

Ridiculous. You are living through one of the four most successful periods in the club's history. We have been on an upward trajectory for the last 13 years and are now at the highest point on that sustained period of progression. We all want trophies but the rules of the game have changed since the last time we were good and measures of success have too.
 
That's your interpretation of history, and the only thing you got right was our lack of success in that period

We struggled from the time of Sugar buying us, (we regularly finished in top 4 in ten years prior) until Levy, basically how the club was run/decisions made in the 10 years under Sugar has cost us 16 years post to recover from and get back to similar position (i.e. actually contending).

However in that time, two things have changed, PL/CL money cam along and completely changed the rewards for a small group of clubs (United/Scum & Pool made the most of it) and money doping clubs arrived (City/Cheat$ki).

Lack of revenue has cost us, not "small club mentality", this is a fact, look at the revenue cat video on youtube of everyone we compete with consistently and we are generally earning 50% or more less.

As per above, United, Pool & Scum took advantage of early PL years and CL revenue to build a buffer and grow their brand, City/Chelsea cheat, who else is even close to our level? West Ham, Everton, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Southampton, Leeds, etc. have all tried your "big time" mentality, did they get anything? are they better off for their strategy vs. ours?

I would argue we probably should have fluked a trophy or two more along the way, but what difference would it make? If we won 2 FA Cups in last 10 years, would that have satisfied you? I'm a Spurs fan through and through, but you might as well argue why hasn't every club outside of City/Cheat$ki/Scum/Pool/United won anything regular in last 20 years, answer is the same for all, i.e. = money.

The difference for us (right now) is there is light at the end of the tunnel, the 2nd/3rd places, the current squad, Poch, the stadium, NFL, sponsorship deals show its possible (still a lot could go wrong) that in 2 or 3 or 5 years we will be closer to a competitive footing with those other clubs. No other club can say that, I'd argue no other club in Europe is closer to breaking the establishment than us.

If you think onwards and upwards is dismissible, I don't know what to say. I will say 4 years ago, I couldn't see how Spurs would compete (even with Bale/Modric/etc.) for the PL in my lifetime (certainly not in immediate future). Yet I have watched a club you accuse of "small time mentality" being the only legitimate challenger for the title two years in a row.

You are absolutely right. Thanks to Sugar, we were falling behind when the sport started booming and have been playing catch up ever since. There was a hell of a lot of ground to catch up and we are not all of the way there yet.
 
You are absolutely right. Thanks to Sugar, we were falling behind when the sport started booming and have been playing catch up ever since. There was a hell of a lot of ground to catch up and we are not all of the way there yet.

Sugar spent the money
He just didn't appoint many good managers
 
All very good points made by the above people and I'm aware of the context. I also see the light at the end of the tunnel with the stadium etc.

But my frustration isn't solely down to this inexplicable decision to sell a world class rwb to a direct rival. My frustration is that it is a continuation of senseless decisions taken by the club since the mid 80s, which has undoubtedly led to our pathetic trophy haul since that time.

Hoddle, Waddle, Allen, Gazza, Linekar, Klinsmann, Sheringham, Keane, Berbatov, Modric, VDV, Defoe, Bale, Walker.

I maintain that putting OUR clubs interest first and not the players, not the agent, not the players wife or any other bollox, means we should have kept all these players.

Now Walker has gone to a direct rival and I'm totally sick about it.

What happens next summer when Danny Rose is fit again? We know he's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder. What happens if he deliberately falls out with Poch. Do we flog him to Man Utd or Emirates Marketing Project? What about Dier? Could it be that he wants to go to Man Utd? What's happens if they bid 65m next summer? What happens when Madrid bid 160m for Kane. What happens when Barca bid 89m for Eriksen? What happens when Emirates Marketing Project bid 140m for dele.

And all the above I'm talking about in future years when we are bedded into the new stadium with massive revenues.

Will this trend since the mid 80s simply continue and mean we still win nothing or will Levy be the first custodian of this Club since the mid 80s to change and say 'NO this club comes first'?

I'm not convinced, I think Levy needs to go around 2020.
 
But my frustration isn't solely down to this inexplicable decision to sell a world class rwb to a direct rival.

The manager didn't want him any more. This sale is the opposite of the others that you mention. This is the club backing the manager and trusting his judgement.

Let's see how the rest of the summer goes and how we perform next season before throwing our toys out of the pram.
 
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All very good points made by the above people and I'm aware of the context. I also see the light at the end of the tunnel with the stadium etc.

But my frustration isn't solely down to this inexplicable decision to sell a world class rwb to a direct rival. My frustration is that it is a continuation of senseless decisions taken by the club since the mid 80s, which has undoubtedly led to our pathetic trophy haul since that time.

Hoddle, Waddle, Allen, Gazza, Linekar, Klinsmann, Sheringham, Keane, Berbatov, Modric, VDV, Defoe, Bale, Walker.

I maintain that putting OUR clubs interest first and not the players, not the agent, not the players wife or any other bollox, means we should have kept all these players.

Now Walker has gone to a direct rival and I'm totally sick about it.

What happens next summer when Danny Rose is fit again? We know he's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder. What happens if he deliberately falls out with Poch. Do we flog him to Man Utd or Emirates Marketing Project? What about Dier? Could it be that he wants to go to Man Utd? What's happens if they bid 65m next summer? What happens when Madrid bid 160m for Kane. What happens when Barca bid 89m for Eriksen? What happens when Emirates Marketing Project bid 140m for dele.

And all the above I'm talking about in future years when we are bedded into the new stadium with massive revenues.

Will this trend since the mid 80s simply continue and mean we still win nothing or will Levy be the first custodian of this Club since the mid 80s to change and say 'NO this club comes first'?

I'm not convinced, I think Levy needs to go around 2020.

NOT 'inexplicable' whatsoever, the full list of reasons behind the transfer is not something the club would, or should, share. When I said back in April that it was over, you were dismissive to say the least. This has been an expected departure for some time, and everyone who needs to know understands why. What has led to our 'pathetic trophy haul' since the mid-80s is a flawed plan or scheme. What we have had for three years is a scheme and a plan. What you are seeing are the fruits of this. There has been no 'continuation' of anything. Frankly, I think it is laughable that you are saying what needs to happen in 2020...laughable!!!


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