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Daniel Levy - Chairman

DubaiSpur said:
Oh, no, I agree - he has zero obligations to run us the way he does, or any way at all, really. He could wind us up tomorrow if he wished to take the hit that would come from losing more than a billion pounds in terms of potential profits from selling us on. I'm not suggesting that he's obligated to us in any way - only that he isn't particularly beneficial or harmful to the club in any way as an owner. He set us up to run mainly on our own money, and he exists as an unconnected entity outside of the club - not a positive, and not a negative. That's my point.


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That is the second time you have said more or less the same thing and my reply is the same this time, that is gonads and it does not matter how many war and peace rambles you post they will not prove otherwise ( imo).
 
parklane1 said:
That is the second time you have said more or less the same thing and my reply is the same this time, that is gonads and it does not matter how many war and peace rambles you post they will not prove otherwise ( imo).
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Fine, if you want a blunter version - no matter how many dismissive one-liners you post, saying that he *is* beneficial is pretty much total gonads as well, mate. ;)
 
DubaiSpur said:
Oh, no, we're not on their financial level - sorry if I gave you that impression.

My point was that they've achieved more than we have while being as financially *stable* as we are - and what infrastructure we build, they match without anywhere near as much sweat and blood, so really, there's no tangible advantage to being run the way we are versus being run like them.
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Disagree. I don't read your 10,000 word posts. It is a real shame you waffle on so much, maybe what you say is interesting but I can't be bothered to wade through the mire to find out.
But in terms of 'tangible advantage'... it is that Spurs have the moral high ground, the respect of doing things the right way, not in cheat mode. You will argue this is not 'tangible'. I will argue that sport is inherently strange and intangible and unfathomable to those not interested, but it is intrinsically important HOW you go about winning things or progressing towards winning things. You will post 10,000 words, quoting Shakespeare, making the point they win things whilst we don't. Go.
 
Bullet said:
Disagree. I don't read your 10,000 word posts. It is a real shame you waffle on so much, maybe what you say is interesting but I can't be bothered to wade through the mire to find out.
But in terms of 'tangible advantage'... it is that Spurs have the moral high ground, the respect of doing things the right way, not in cheat mode. You will argue this is not 'tangible'. I will argue that sport is inherently strange and intangible and unfathomable to those not interested, but it is intrinsically important HOW you go about winning things or progressing towards winning things. You will post 10,000 words, quoting Shakespeare, making the point they win things whilst we don't. Go.
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Nah - I didn't bother with reading it. Disagree, though.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Sure, it's my view - I accept that they did get relegated afterwards in pretty shoddy circumstances. But to my mind, given their geographic and demographic limitations, Blackburn's stay in the top flight was a deviation from the norm for them - which, in the professional era, has been mainly spent in the lower leagues.

Without Walker, maybe they wouldn't have been relegated, who knows. but I do know that, without Walker, they would *never*, *ever* have won the league in the first place - it is a level so far removed from where they normally were without Walker's generosity that it's incredible to think that they would even have come close.

Walker's involvement (and the involvement of his trust after his death) led to two-odd decades of mostly consistent top flight participation, UEFA Cup campaigns, cup runs, a league title and a League Cup. And a relegation in between. Given those realities, I think I'm justified in saying the good was far greater than the bad.
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I do see and appreciate your view, I just don't think that the reward was worth the ending.
For me I would rather have an organic and sustainable limited success than and bright but fleeting success that leads to a dismal decline.
His model was never sustainable and that for was how he ruined the club.
 
glasgowspur said:
I do see and appreciate your view, I just don't think that the reward was worth the ending.
For me I would rather have an organic and sustainable limited success than and bright but fleeting success that leads to a dismal decline.
His model was never sustainable and that for was how he ruined the club.
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Fair enough, mate - my view is that Blackburn's natural level was and remains at about the middle of the Championship, because of their location, the demographic reality of being situated in a post-industrial northern town and their fairly limited catchment area.

Walker made them dream, and took them up to the level of the Uniteds and Liverpools of this world - up to the very pinnacle of the English game. That they were relegated in between two periods of success and stability is down to him, probably - but they would never have gotten up there without him, so I can't say they're worse off for having had him as their owner. Let me put it this way - if they were run 'sustainably', their limitations mean that it is supremely likely that they would be a middling Championship club even today, with no record in the Premier League to speak of and only a distant memory of glory prior to the full professionalization of the English game to look back on. Would that be the better scenario for them? To live within their means and never get relegated or promoted, just being a club living within its limited means so they can claim the title of sustainability?

Olle73 said:
A healthy big investor with a clean conscience? Good luck with that ;)
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nayenezgani said:
Unfortunately these traits are rarely mutually exclusive.
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I agree with both of youse to an extent - nobody gets to become a billionaire without being at the very least pretty unethical. But I can just about hold my nose with regard to a lack of business ethics or antisocial behavior - as long as it isn't flat out human rights abuse, war crimes, plundering of state assets or outright murder of political/business rivals.

Surely that's a low enough bar that *some* generous billionaires will sneak through? They might be ars*holes, but at least they'd be ars*holes without blood on their hands. :p
 
Rorschach said:
That about sums it up.
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It does!

And it's why I believe Joe and Daniel will look for US investment in the next few years. His pragmatic thinking will know he can't keep the wages ceiling in forever. So he will either bide his time until revenues rise via the new stadium, which will take a long while or get a rich partner/investors in and keep our better players?

He will not though do anything during a transfer window IMHO
 
Levy had been holding out for the basic figure of £50m from City and, after weeks of talks, he finally got what he wanted on Thursday. Walker is poised to complete the formalities of the move.

Levy has played it characteristically tough. Take his stance on Pau López, the reserve goalkeeper, who was on loan at the club from Espanyol last season. Levy had an option to make the deal permanent for €7m but he allowed it to lapse and, instead, he has offered €2m plus a further €2m in add-ons. Espanyol are not happy. But Pau has entered the final year of his contract and, if Levy has to wait until he becomes a free agent next summer, he will wait.

This is what he does
 
StephenH said:
Not just yet but the likes of a Mark Zuckerberg will be the way that Enic will go.
When the time is right...
Maybe when Joe goes or Levy has had enough.
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Facefudge is a crime against humanity!!! Zuckerberg is satan.

Too much?
 
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Levy has done a wonderful job IMO. He is on the verge of completing a root and branch overhaul of our club that will see us in a position of long-term footballing and financial stability as well as see us wining pots and being in the running with the very largest for some years to come.

I think the coming weeks, and season, is massive for him. No-one in football (including the networks) is enjoying our wage-structure anymore, and clubs are using all sources to apply tap ups and pressure. Poch's project will only go so far at this point - we will need to pay up.

In that respect, rather than signing a bunch of players, I'd rather see a 30-40 million quid investment long -term in some wages to keep the core happy. Not saying we have to match, but getting in and around a higher wage would be good. Oh, and whatever players the manager does want, because he does not actually want too many as we have a few he is ready to trust!
 
thfcsteff said:
Levy has done a wonderful job IMO. He is on the verge of completing a root and branch overhaul of our club that will see us in a position of long-term footballing and financial stability as well as see us wining pots and being in the running with the very largest for some years to come.

I think the coming weeks, and season, is massive for him. No-one in football (including the networks) is enjoying our wage-structure anymore, and clubs are using all sources to apply tap ups and pressure. Poch's project will only go so far at this point - we will need to pay up.

In that respect, rather than signing a bunch of players, I'd rather see a 30-40 million quid investment long -term in some wages to keep the core happy. Not saying we have to match, but getting in and around a higher wage would be good. Oh, and whatever players the manager does want, because he does not actually want too many as we have a few he is ready to trust!
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I can't remember the source but I read somewhere that Levy has a generous bonus structure in place that goes some way to further compensating our players.
 
thfcsteff said:
Levy has done a wonderful job IMO. He is on the verge of completing a root and branch overhaul of our club that will see us in a position of long-term footballing and financial stability as well as see us wining pots and being in the running with the very largest for some years to come.

I think the coming weeks, and season, is massive for him. No-one in football (including the networks) is enjoying our wage-structure anymore, and clubs are using all sources to apply tap ups and pressure. Poch's project will only go so far at this point - we will need to pay up.

In that respect, rather than signing a bunch of players, I'd rather see a 30-40 million quid investment long -term in some wages to keep the core happy. Not saying we have to match, but getting in and around a higher wage would be good. Oh, and whatever players the manager does want, because he does not actually want too many as we have a few he is ready to trust!
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What if we could see we were in danger of losing our players to bigger wages, but instead of losing a few, we decided to lose the one we could replace the easiest, in order to top up the wages of the others we want to keep?
 
LemonadeMoney said:
What if we could see we were in danger of losing our players to bigger wages, but instead of losing a few, we decided to lose the one we could replace the easiest, in order to top up the wages of the others we want to keep?
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Agreed. And what if we also trust that Levy knows what he's doing and is backing a manager who knows what he's doing and that losing Walker is not the beginning of the end or the waving of a white flag and the preface to our best players leaving us.
 
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