Daniel Levy - Chairman

[DTA]

But Chelsea are relevant, they show that having a sugar daddy owner is no impediment to becoming a "top club" as you argued. That was your point not mine, Chelsea and Emirates Marketing Project refute your argument entirely.

IF Leicester continue to invest and continue to excel and win cups remember they've now also won the FA Cup something we haven't won since 1991 then they will become a "top club". If we continue to win nothing then we we won't.

It's not difficult to understand.

Where are the sugar daddy's beating down the door to buy spurs that Levy is turning away?

 

[Raziel]

But Chelsea are relevant, they show that having a sugar daddy owner is no impediment to becoming a "top club" as you argued. That was your point not mine, Chelsea and Emirates Marketing Project refute your argument entirely.

IF Leicester continue to invest and continue to excel and win cups remember they've now also won the FA Cup something we haven't won since 1991 then they will become a "top club". If we continue to win nothing then we we won't.

It's not difficult to understand.

I answered this early in the thread

- Chelsea and City are effectively state funded, most owners don't have that kind of cash
- Chelsea and City did it when there were only 4 clubs to worry about, now they are 6 (plus a much better 7-10 in league)
- I pointed out, the gap in revenue to the Scum for Leicester (without the Scum being in CL) is effectively a £1B every five years

So if you believe Leicester owners have the ability to both
- Continue a run of smart managers (some was pure fudging luck by the way, no plan), smart buys and good runs
- Plus, pump something like £2B in cash into the club over next 10 years

sure ..

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

Because some of us remember what it was like before enic. Mid table club season over by march each year. A positive goal difference was considered a good season. The sky 4 were untouchable. Just getting into the cl was a dream. Getting to a cl final yeah alright. I've watched us play in the san siro, the bernabeu and the camp nou.
So yes might cut levy a bit of slack. People thinking we are brick now have short memories.

i reckon with the age demographic on here most of us remember the crap times before levy/enic (and even the crap times with levy/ enic such as our flirtation with relegation in 2003/04, the Ramos era (which admittedly brought us our only significant trophy under levy but we were crap in the league) the Tim sherwood salad days….

It hasn’t been all sunshine and roses under levy/enic! In fact levy has had plenty of slack over the years considering the farce of Jol’s sacking, the failure to back redknapp when we almost had a title winning team, the failure to back poch when almost had a title winning team, and subsequently when we needed to rebuild

it seems a bit much to ask for even more slack over the latest inept farrago when it comes to dismissing/appointing managers. Something is deeply rotten at the heart of our club when it comes to the decisions that impact our on field performance. Critical decisions/actions are frequently too late and/or erroneous.

 

[Raziel]

Where are the sugar daddy's beating down the door to buy spurs that Levy is turning away?

Mate, it's a dead end

- Getting a club from bottom half to top half - pump some money in, run it a little better
- Getting a club from top half into challenging for top 6 -> pump more money in, plan right, smart acquisitions, good buys and some luck
- Getting from challenging for top 6 to actually top 4 -> exponentially harder, exponentially more expensive, less room for error.

People confuse each layer, a club being able to/smart enough to do the first step says nothing about it's ability to do second or third.

 

[Raziel]

i reckon with the age demographic on here most of us remember the crap times before levy/enic (and even the crap times with levy/ enic such as our flirtation with relegation in 2003/04, the Ramos era (which admittedly brought us our only significant trophy under levy but we were crap in the league) the Tim sherwood salad days….

It hasn’t been all sunshine and roses under levy/enic! In fact levy has had plenty of slack over the years considering the farce of Jol’s sacking, the failure to back redknapp when we almost had a title winning team, the failure to back poch when almost had a title winning team, and subsequently when we needed to rebuild

it seems a bit much to ask for even more slack over the latest inept farrago when it comes to dismissing/appointing managers. Something is deeply rotten at the heart of our club when it comes to the decisions that impact our on field performance. Critical decisions/actions are frequently too late and/or erroneous.

Anecdotal doesn't equal fact

- Everyone thinks sacking Jol was a mistake -> fact, Club won trophy with next manager, and then Harry got us CL
- Failure to back and sacking of Redknapp, mistake? -> got AVB who gave us one of our best points totals, then Poch who was as successful as we have had in ENIC era
- Fire Poch -> this didn't work out, but Jose got to a cup final, what would the verdict have been if he had won? (imagine a non Covid world where we had an extra £20M and Jose got a top CB)
- Levy needs the next one to go right, but that's a we will see.

The club has been on the up for the last 15+ years, so the narrative that it has been an absolute disaster isn't quite true

I personally think Chelsea/Madrid's strategy re managers is insanity, but the results say different. Not liking something isn't the same as it doesn't work.

 

[DTA]

Because some of us remember what it was like before enic. Mid table club season over by march each year. A positive goal difference was considered a good season. The sky 4 were untouchable. Just getting into the cl was a dream. Getting to a cl final yeah alright. I've watched us play in the san siro, the bernabeu and the camp nou.
So yes might cut levy a bit of slack. People thinking we are brick now have short memories.

This post hasn't got the recognition that it deserves.

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

Anecdotal doesn't equal fact

- Everyone thinks sacking Jol was a mistake -> fact, Club won trophy with next manager, and then Harry got us CL
- Failure to back and sacking of Redknapp, mistake? -> got AVB who gave us one of our best points totals, then Poch who was as successful as we have had in ENIC era
- Fire Poch -> this didn't work out, but Jose got to a cup final, what would the verdict have been if he had won? (imagine a non Covid world where we had an extra £20M and Jose got a top CB)
- Levy needs the next one to go right, but that's a we will see.

The club has been on the up for the last 15+ years, so the narrative that it has been an absolute disaster isn't quite true

I personally think Chelsea/Madrid's strategy re managers is insanity, but the results say different. Not liking something isn't the same as it doesn't work.

what narrative is that? No one is saying the last 15 years + have been a disaster. But it’s interesting that’s how you’d choose to interpret my comment pointing out they hadn’t been an unmitigated success.

you say what if Jose had won a cup final…that didn’t help Ramos did it? Also how can you say “anecdotal doesn’t equal fact” and then hypothesise that situation to bolster your argument?
Levy didn’t back AvB which is ultimately why he had to sack him. The success of redknapp does not mean that the decision to sack Jol and the way it was done was a good one.

 

[Baleforce]

Now I love AVB as much as the next man, but as for him not being backed, it was only the Moutinho deal that didn't happen right, and we couldn't afford that.

It's not "not backing the manager" by not spending money we don't have.

Progression under ENIC has been consistent, it's not all been forward all of the time, there have been set backs, but the trend is unquestionable.

 

[DTA]

Now I love AVB as much as the next man, but as for him not being backed, it was only the Moutinho deal that didn't happen right, and we couldn't afford that.

It's not "not backing the manager" by not spending money we don't have.

Progression under ENIC has been consistent, it's not all been forward all of the time, there have been set backs, but the trend is unquestionable.

Thank you. I genuinely don't understand why people don't see this???

Yes the last 18 months or so have been a §hit show but don't our memories go back further than that?

PS Avb was not cool man.

 

[Bishop]

I answered this early in the thread

- Chelsea and City are effectively state funded, most owners don't have that kind of cash
- Chelsea and City did it when there were only 4 clubs to worry about, now they are 6 (plus a much better 7-10 in league)
- I pointed out, the gap in revenue to the Scum for Leicester (without the Scum being in CL) is effectively a £1B every five years

So if you believe Leicester owners have the ability to both
- Continue a run of smart managers (some was pure fudging luck by the way, no plan), smart buys and good runs
- Plus, pump something like £2B in cash into the club over next 10 years

sure ..

It's all speculation but they are no less likely to keep performing than we are to start performing. You have a pessimistic view for them and an optimistic for ourselves. 2 years ago I can imagine you didn't predict that we would be finishing 6th and out of the CL so anything can and will happen. None would have predicted Leicester's title win or even ourselves being their nearest challenges.

Let's see how it all plays out.

 

[Bishop]

Anecdotal doesn't equal fact

- Everyone thinks sacking Jol was a mistake -> fact, Club won trophy with next manager, and then Harry got us CL
- Failure to back and sacking of Redknapp, mistake? -> got AVB who gave us one of our best points totals, then Poch who was as successful as we have had in ENIC era
- Fire Poch -> this didn't work out, but Jose got to a cup final, what would the verdict have been if he had won? (imagine a non Covid world where we had an extra £20M and Jose got a top CB)
- Levy needs the next one to go right, but that's a we will see.

The club has been on the up for the last 15+ years, so the narrative that it has been an absolute disaster isn't quite true

I personally think Chelsea/Madrid's strategy re managers is insanity, but the results say different. Not liking something isn't the same as it doesn't work.

Anecdotal yes but just like yourself he took a view on things. Your view is no more correct than his.

 

[Raziel]

It's all speculation but they are no less likely to keep performing than we are to start performing. You have a pessimistic view for them and an optimistic for ourselves. 2 years ago I can imagine you didn't predict that we would be finishing 6th and out of the CL so anything can and will happen. None would have predicted Leicester's title win or even ourselves being their nearest challenges.

Let's see how it all plays out.

It's not speculation or optimism/pessimism

- they make 171M and we make 445M a year (that is more than a 2.5B gap in 10 years)
- for reference Palace made 161M and United make 580M
- The chances of Palace catching them is higher than them catching Scum/Us or anyone in top 6 consistently

When we were making 200-odd million catching Pool & United consistently was never going to work, did we finish above them some seasons? = yes, but it the end they could buy their way out of trouble because the revenue gap was that big, which is why the Stadium is the most important thing ENIC has done.

Until Leicester builds a plan to 3X their annual revenue while at the same time maintaining the performance (see our experience), it's short term, outside of their owner suddenly having City level cash to burn over multiple years.

 

[Raziel]

what narrative is that? No one is saying the last 15 years + have been a disaster. But it’s interesting that’s how you’d choose to interpret my comment pointing out they hadn’t been an unmitigated success.

you say what if Jose had won a cup final…that didn’t help Ramos did it? Also how can you say “anecdotal doesn’t equal fact” and then hypothesise that situation to bolster your argument?
Levy didn’t back AvB which is ultimately why he had to sack him. The success of redknapp does not mean that the decision to sack Jol and the way it was done was a good one.

your words were "something is deeply rotten at the core" not "it hasn't been an unmitigated success"

The on field success of Redknapp does in fact justify the Jol sacking because over a measurable period of time (3-5 years) the club got better on the pitch than sticking with Jol

It will have to be measured the same with Poch, if in the next 3-5 years we continue to progress -> right decision, you are right re my point with Jose, the only reason I feel it has merit is (while the failure was absolute), Covid played a part that has to be accounted for.

Again, this isn't about "do I like how they treated x manager or player", all of us didn't then, it's about ultimately did it help/hinder the club (your deeply rotten comment) while realizing causation is not always equal to correlation.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Where are the sugar daddy's beating down the door to buy spurs that Levy is turning away?

We wouldn't know. That is one of the reasons why I am so keen to see the trust's proposal of allowing a liquidity injection via fans buying equity come into being as it will show what ENIC feel is the valuation of THFC.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I answered this early in the thread

- Chelsea and City are effectively state funded, most owners don't have that kind of cash
- Chelsea and City did it when there were only 4 clubs to worry about, now they are 6 (plus a much better 7-10 in league)
- I pointed out, the gap in revenue to the Scum for Leicester (without the Scum being in CL) is effectively a £1B every five years

So if you believe Leicester owners have the ability to both
- Continue a run of smart managers (some was pure fudging luck by the way, no plan), smart buys and good runs
- Plus, pump something like £2B in cash into the club over next 10 years

sure ..

Chelsea's owner has put in about £1 billion..... Which is about the same amount of debt that ENIC have loaded onto us.

I'm not sure what Abramovic paid for Chelsea but I think it was only a few million quid. I would imagine Abramovic would make very good profit on that £1 billion investment if he chose to sell Chelsea.... He could probably sell Chelsea for at least as much as ENIC could sell Spurs for and could even leave the loan there to be paid back under Chelsea's new owners.

The difference between Arsenal and Leicester is £1b every 5 years at the moment. I expect Leicester's owners look at Arsenal's (and Spurs') sponsorships and realise that with increased exposure via European football they can grow their income significantly.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Anecdotal doesn't equal fact

- Everyone thinks sacking Jol was a mistake -> fact, Club won trophy with next manager, and then Harry got us CL
- Failure to back and sacking of Redknapp, mistake? -> got AVB who gave us one of our best points totals, then Poch who was as successful as we have had in ENIC era
- Fire Poch -> this didn't work out, but Jose got to a cup final, what would the verdict have been if he had won? (imagine a non Covid world where we had an extra £20M and Jose got a top CB)
- Levy needs the next one to go right, but that's a we will see.

The club has been on the up for the last 15+ years, so the narrative that it has been an absolute disaster isn't quite true

I personally think Chelsea/Madrid's strategy re managers is insanity, but the results say different. Not liking something isn't the same as it doesn't work.

Trying to dress up AVB as an improvement on Redknapp is really stretching things.
Jose winning a Cup? That would've required Levy not actually sacking him in the week leading up to that Cup final! Sacking him clearly with no plan for how to replace him makes things even more laughable.
Imagine a non ENIC world where the owners back the manager with the signings he actually wants instead of giving him vanity loans like Gareth Bale and a Championship centre back signed after the Euro squad deadline so that the manager couldn't really bed him in?
The club was indeed on the up for a good period. But has since been on a steady downward trend for 3 years.

 

[Raziel]

Chelsea's owner has put in about £1 billion..... Which is about the same amount of debt that ENIC have loaded onto us.

I'm not sure what Abramovic paid for Chelsea but I think it was only a few million quid. I would imagine Abramovic would make very good profit on that £1 billion investment if he chose to sell Chelsea.... He could probably sell Chelsea for at least as much as ENIC could sell Spurs for and could even leave the loan there to be paid back under Chelsea's new owners.

The difference between Arsenal and Leicester is £1b every 5 years at the moment. I expect Leicester's owners look at Arsenal's (and Spurs') sponsorships and realise that with increased exposure via European football they can grow their income significantly.

Again, this isn't a Chelsea conversation (could be interesting to do as with two decades of success they only got 25M ahead of us)

In the last 5 years

- Leicester has won the PL and managed to pull a whole 10M in revenue ahead of fudging Crystal Palace

But you believe they are going to pass Arsenal and Spurs? this is why conversations with you are frustrating

Enlighten me, where the fudge are they going to get 3X revenue +any addition gap that adds on in next 5 - 10 years? in light of since winning the PL (years ago) they haven't been able to pull away from Palace or Sheffield United or Wolves or West Ham (all four are closer to Leicester than Leicester is to Everton), Palace is 10M behind, Everton is 40M ahead.

Their stadium would barely qualify for top 15 in the league re capacity, as a City they aren't going to get the commercials of a London/Manchester (Biggest clubs in biggest Cities, even the sugar daddy ones -> City/United, Pool, Arsenal/Chelsea/Spurs, PSG, RM/Atleti, Barca, AC/Inter, Juve, Roma, Bayern)

 

[parklane1]

Because some of us remember what it was like before enic. Mid table club season over by march each year. A positive goal difference was considered a good season. The sky 4 were untouchable. Just getting into the cl was a dream. Getting to a cl final yeah alright. I've watched us play in the san siro, the bernabeu and the camp nou.
So yes might cut levy a bit of slack. People thinking we are brick now have short memories.

tickle my balls with a feather, if those who are bitching about us now had been around during the 90s they would have been commiting suicide.

 

[Raziel]

tickle my balls with a feather, if those who are bitching about us now had been around during the 90s they would have been commiting suicide.

fudging hell mate, that made me laugh ..

 

[parklane1]

fudging hell mate, that made me laugh ..

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