Agreed - its probably works for the really top drawer players like Sancho and Bellingham, because they'd rise to the top whichever league they're in. For players a level or two down, they'd be better not having the upheaval to deal wiht and just staying where they are
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Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
I think it helps going to Germany rather than France
Their just more structured from what I can see in their approach
Bishop
Nick Barmby
Hmm they may be more structured but I think France produces more in terms of talent level and quantity.
Just thinking about guys like Camavinga, Ndombele, Ousmane Dembele. Even the older lot who chose not to play for France like Auba, Mahrez etc.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
That’s just as much about scale and numbers though as talent. Of you have enough volume coached well you should have some quality done through
The quantity is there to generate quality by default
Germany IMO has always produced better players and better teams by default. Hence why french sides are weaker generally in Europe
In France it always seems to me that players get a chance because their team is lacking players. In Germany it’s by design. They have a plan
Bishop
Nick Barmby
I agree with your premise but would argue that French teams are weaker due to there being less money in the league as a result the talented players leave quite early to move to other richer football nations. The French sides themselves don't get much time to build around their talents once they've been exposed.
I do think France have had the better more talented players though (Germany are not shabby in this regard either of course) Platini, Henry, Zidane, Mbappe, Tigana etc etc.
Even Bayern are very aware of the talent 9f the French hence they have a long history of buying some of the best French talents. There isn't a French team that has been able to do the same to German talents until PSG very recently and they have focused on trying to get the best of France and general international.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
But surely less money means more young players will get a chance?
When I’ve seen french teams that doesn’t seem the case
You do get players coming through but I’d expect more
I also think Germany is hugely under rated as a football machine
Every 10 years they produce a new set of players of a superb calibre. Hence why they have historically been Europe’s lost successful nation internationally (maybe Italy is, I have by checked but Germany feel like it)
France have always had great players but only recently had them en masse
Bishop
Nick Barmby
I think with Germany they tend to breed a certain mentality in their players as well that helps them meld into a cohesive winning machine. Whereas France tends to be a bit more freeform and creative but also that can also mean to get a cohesive performance they need more of their cogs to be on form.
But again I still do feel (and always have) that France really do produce some of the best footballers on the planet at least in terms of talent and creativity. Just look at the majority of the top teams they usually have a French player or two in them.
With regards to the young players that's because they often leave France just after breaking through. Take for example Pogba I don't think he ever played for the Rennes first team before United poached him. So you have the French youth teams developing tons of talent but those players end up at the youth teams of Europes's elite sides.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Yeah that’s true
But it’s possible the youth young also leaves because the structure isn’t there for them to see chances in teams of the right quality. I really don’t know if that’s the case by the way
German teams seem to have a plan for youth to get games and chances
FatBloke
Niko Kranjcar
Not an emoji in sight. Good lad.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Or a tattoo
He has a chance. I would actually drop one of the tattoo players in the first team for him. Dont care if they are different positions I just dont like or want tattoo players in my team.
Robbo
Paul Walsh
Just wait until he's old enough to get one without his mum's permission.
On another note, I thought Harvey White showed great promise on his debut as well. His passing was sharp and precise, and from that small cameo I'm not surprised to see him come up with that assist for Scarlett. Two great talents!
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
The lads so powerful he stands out in his age group
Be interesting to see him develop because like for like he looks better than Parrot did
Be interesting to see him develop because like for like he looks better than Parrot did
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
I've only seen short videos and the brief appearance in EL but he looks a different type of player, Parrot being older is far stronger and has more of a game, but it would be great to have 2 home grown strikers good enough to play in the first team.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Assuming you mean Parrot as one of the two and not Kane?!
yeah he is a different type of player but form the football I’ve seen of both at the same age Scarlett looks a better prospect.
I’d wager that Scarlett is stronger too. Parrot has shown his fighting side in games which we won’t have seen yet from Scarlett but he looks a real specimen for his age.
Parrott is very Kane-like in terms of build and style of play, and I think that style is a lot less eye-catching that Scarlett's style, which is a bit more Defoe-like in nature.
I think both are excellent prospects from what I have seen. Question is whether they have the right attitude and application to make the most of their raw talents and whether their entourage/advisors/family distract them from working hard and improving. When you think about the various younger players which have left Spurs and gone to germany, France etc, very few have succeeded. Would have been better off staying and knuckling down
I think both are excellent prospects from what I have seen. Question is whether they have the right attitude and application to make the most of their raw talents and whether their entourage/advisors/family distract them from working hard and improving. When you think about the various younger players which have left Spurs and gone to germany, France etc, very few have succeeded. Would have been better off staying and knuckling down
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
I’d say parrot is more like his compatriot Keano in style. Not a 9 or a 10 (same as Kane is now).
Scarlett is more like Haaland IMO
You seen the goals form yesterday?
the kids a powerhouse and has a hammer shot
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
It'd be just fantastic if he could get a few minutes at the end of one of the Europa games against Wolfsberger and score.
Just put a little marker down.
Just put a little marker down.
