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Coronavirus

awesome dawson said:
NZ just found four cases after a hundred days of ‘eradication’ and are going into immediate level 3 lockdown for three days.

I don’t know if it can be suppressed with such a high infection rate.
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Yeah, it’s Hobson’s Choice really. Repeated widespread severe lockdowns to keep the virus at very low levels or a more relaxed approach, which leaves a large proportion of the population afraid to resume anything approaching normal life - with a huge knock-on effect on the economy.

Only good treatments or a vaccine can get us back to near normal. Thankfully there seems to be progress in both areas, but it’s going to be a very bumpy road for at least another six months or so, I reckon.
 
awesome dawson said:
NZ just found four cases after a hundred days of ‘eradication’ and are going into immediate level 3 lockdown for three days.

I don’t know if it can be suppressed with such a high infection rate.
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I have questions

how did it get into New Zealand as the border is closed except those returning home.

Does that mean that it’s been in the country for a while and quite a few people have shown no symptoms?

This will be interesting


@DTA

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....s-Two-separate-studies-dash-hopes-summer.html


There’s quite a bit out there - I’ve only linked this one as 2 studies.
 
Legohamster said:
I have questions

how did it get into New Zealand as the border is closed except those returning home.

Does that mean that it’s been in the country for a while and quite a few people have shown no symptoms?

This will be interesting
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I think the reports are slightly misleading on the surface - the BBC has just referred to it as the first community transmission for 100 days, and from memory didn't they import a handful of cases from the UK a few weeks back (given some kind of compassionate exception from standard quarantine conditions, IIRC)?
 
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awesome dawson said:
Interesting graphs, thanks for posting. U.K. is about 60m whereas Melbourne (99% of the problem here) is 5m. It seems so contagious and spreads like wildfire in crowded social situations which is basically how i recall English summers. Let alone the fact inter european tourism is open for business. Partially.
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Interesting. Was Melbourne less locked down than the UK currently is? And/or could it be that UK's had a way bigger peak to begin with, so has more immunity?
 
Parklaner81 said:
I think the reports are slightly misleading on the surface - the BBC has just referred to it as the first community transmission for 100 days, and from memory didn't they import a handful of cases from the UK a few weeks back (given some kind of compassionate exception from standard quarantine conditions, IIRC)?
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In which case how many other cases has there been they don’t know about ?
 
elltrev said:
Interesting. Was Melbourne less locked down than the UK currently is? And/or could it be that UK's had a way bigger peak to begin with, so has more immunity?
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Since mid March Melbourne has been mainly in some form of lockdown but the most unrestricted few weeks saw us allowed to have guests at homes, pubs open albeit with ridiculous rules like having to order food, two hour windows to drink etc. I don't feel as if London had that strict a lockdown at all, pubs were shut in March, April etc but everybody is just moving around unchecked. Including at airports. Melbourne has had hotel quarantine for 14 days too for international arrivals.
 
Legohamster said:
I have questions

how did it get into New Zealand as the border is closed except those returning home.

Does that mean that it’s been in the country for a while and quite a few people have shown no symptoms?

This will be interesting


@DTA

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....s-Two-separate-studies-dash-hopes-summer.html


There’s quite a bit out there - I’ve only linked this one as 2 studies.
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I'm guessing it's a bit like the common cold in that it can lay dormant for weeks or spread amongst people who are asymptomatic. I think Vietnam had the same thing.
 
awesome dawson said:
Since mid March Melbourne has been mainly in some form of lockdown but the most unrestricted few weeks saw us allowed to have guests at homes, pubs open albeit with ridiculous rules like having to order food, two hour windows to drink etc. I don't feel as if London had that strict a lockdown at all, pubs were shut in March, April etc but everybody is just moving around unchecked. Including at airports. Melbourne has had hotel quarantine for 14 days too for international arrivals.
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We were in a strict lockdown for two months maybe more

No none essential leaving house was strict and worked to kill the curve, the proof is in the facts there. 95% of all air travel cancelled by default and capacity in single figures on those landing means the "airport open" is grossly over played.

I don't agree with idea of strict lockdown but you can't argue that by doing so we didn't kill off the worse of spread.
 
Legohamster said:
I have questions

how did it get into New Zealand as the border is closed except those returning home.

Does that mean that it’s been in the country for a while and quite a few people have shown no symptoms?

This will be interesting


@DTA

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....s-Two-separate-studies-dash-hopes-summer.html


There’s quite a bit out there - I’ve only linked this one as 2 studies.
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Delay in showing?

You can claim no case but have cases not showing for days which kills the data. CV then shows and by time you discover it in patient X it's already with Y and Z

That's my view
 
Grays_1890 said:
We were in a strict lockdown for two months maybe more

No none essential leaving house was strict and worked to kill the curve, the proof is in the facts there. 95% of all air travel cancelled by default and capacity in single figures on those landing means the "airport open" is grossly over played.

I don't agree with idea of strict lockdown but you can't argue that by doing so we didn't kill off the worse of spread.
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I flew into Heathrow from Madrid on 20 March, waltzed right into central London without so much as a leaflet or poster about Covid in sight. I’ve read over 3 million passengers entered through airports in March. Hardly closed.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Delay in showing?

You can claim no case but have cases not showing for days which kills the data. CV then shows and by time you discover it in patient X it's already with Y and Z

That's my view
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But where did it come from, just a random 4 cases out of nowhere?

I wouldn’t be shocked if they did testing lots more will Have it.
 
awesome dawson said:
I flew into Heathrow from Madrid on 20 March, waltzed right into central London without so much as a leaflet or poster about Covid in sight. I’ve read over 3 million passengers entered through airports in March. Hardly closed.
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Well it was, March 23rd official lockdown. Was announced and as I say the reality is the lockdown assisted towards the numbers you see today.

I was stopped a dozen times going to Co-op or Waitrose in Croydon during lockdown, the essential leaving home only and 30 mins exercise was strict, London. Still is like a ghost town or was last week when I went to office.

The facts and stats are there, what are you suggesting ? The virus has a bias and a brain?
 
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