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Mikey10 said:
Many (probably thousands) have died with pre-existing conditions who would have gone on and lived happily and pretty healthily for 20, 30, 40 years more.

I’m 49. I’ve got Type 1 diabetes. If I died from covid tomorrow I’d be down as someone with a pre-existing condition. I run half marathons, I walk 40 miles or so a week, I cycle, I swim. In short, I’m healthy in every way bar having a non-functioning pancreas.

Writing people off because they have pre-existing conditions makes it sound like they are all on the verge of death anyhow. In my opinion, it’s a crass and very simplistic way of looking at the awful covid mortality figures in this country.
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We shield those people properly and not do what we did with the care homes they wouldn’t have been as many at risk people dying.
 
milo said:
I am speaking to a friend tonight who is involved in the periphery of the Oxford trial, I'll ask him what he thinks.
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He thinks that the likelihood is that it will reduce the symptoms for people who catch it rather than provide immunity. He thinks that this should be sufficient for most of us to start returning to (near) normal but that vulnerable people will probably need to isolate for flu season.
 
  • Florida has reported the biggest surge of coronavirus cases in the US - with more than 15,000 new cases in 24 hours as of Sunday

  • The US hit a new daily record on Saturday with more than 66,528 new Covid-19 cases, while globally, more than 12.7m coronavirus cases have been reported and 565,000 deaths
 
...And they’ve just reopened the Disney park.

presumably exponential growth so let’s see where they end up number wise - if the testing can even keep up.
 
SpurMeUp said:
I wonder how long the UK will be paying off the Corna hit for? First we had Austerity post banking crisis. Then Brexit with the lower pound and reduced growth. And now Corona. It could be decades of belt-tightening. From circa 2010 to 2030? Will we get back to a more prosperous place ever again?
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Probably not. The climate fudge fest is behind door 4.

(edit: that's not as nice as it sounds)
 
Legohamster said:
How many without pre-existing medical conditions?
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I raised this before (and haven't been online in a while, so not sure if it's been covered), but I think we need far greater clarity and definition around what the term 'pre-existing medical conditions' actually means in this context.

I'm pretty sure I read a while back that the government's 'vulnerable' persons category (2nd category down), which is a fairly tight, by no means exhaustive list of specific medical conditions, covered something like a third of the population. And as I said, that's for a fairly small list of conditions. My guess would be that, if we're using the term to include any and all pre-existing medical conditions, we're talking about a fairly large majority of the population.
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
There are no easy answers, just less painful ones. (Remember noone likes taking the medicine)...

Most of the world was in a debt mess from 2008, nothing really happened, we pumped printed money into the banks that just served to inflate asset bubbles and put the loan book on life support low interest rates. The corporate market gobbled up what they could to pump up the corporate bond market that now resembles junk, well until the Fed pumps more magic money in to save it from collapse. And then of course we have personal debt running at GHod knows what (for what?) .. then a pandemic comes along and really puts the whole system in jeopardy.

Government s thought austerity might get us out of the 2008 mess but really we were treading water. Shame as it was the ethical thing to do (but no clam liked it). With the cost of the pandemic blowing up day by day we really are at World War numbers, and it appears the government have given up with adding anything up...it's open season on handouts. I can see why politically, all other news is so bad it's the only positive spin they can turn to.
They are in a roundabout way converting personal and corporate debt into public debt with the measures they're taking and continue to introduce. I think due to the direct nature of this money gifting,inflation will be along soon. Maybe that's the plan, use it as a tool to shrink the debt. There is some massive flaws to it though, eg give more money to people that are not very good with money:eek:., If interest rates have to go up, loads will be underwater.

But with all the sovereign debt build up we could see a cross country cancellation of some sort, as much of what's been 'lent' out its not coming back. Alternatively if we're bailing companies out we might as well take an equity stake and build a national sovereign wealth fund.
As @Danishfurniturelover says to have such a millstone round our neck and potentially slipping into something akin to a depression will hamper so much we have on our plate nationally and globally (climate).

Edit: just to add, that a real depression will only rile up, in the most ugly way, the hate between the have's and have nots as well.
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Bang on.

A failure to actually treat the 'temporary' measures enacted after the 2008 crisis as being, you know, temporary, has led to bubbles inflating to far larger levels than they were at pre-08. This wasn't difficult to see happening but as you say, almost seemed to become one of those things that 'we don't talk about'...because no one wanted to face up to it.

Well, here we are again.
 
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Parklaner81 said:
I raised this before (and haven't been online in a while, so not sure if it's been covered), but I think we need far greater clarity and definition around what the term 'pre-existing medical conditions' actually means in this context.

I'm pretty sure I read a while back that the government's 'vulnerable' persons category (2nd category down), which is a fairly tight, by no means exhaustive list of specific medical conditions, covered something like a third of the population. And as I said, that's for a fairly small list of conditions. My guess would be that, if we're using the term to include any and all pre-existing medical conditions, we're talking about a fairly large majority of the population.
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Agreed, and have said that on here numerous times. The list of underlying conditions covers obesity, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, asthma, those receiving treatment for cancer, and more besides.

You then need to factor in members of the BAME community and those over 65. And there’s little point in all of those people isolating unless those who live with them do too.

So that leaves 9 people to keep the economy going, I reckon. :)
 
Mikey10 said:
Agreed, and have said that on here numerous times. The list of underlying conditions covers obesity, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, asthma, those receiving treatment for cancer, and more besides.

You then need to factor in members of the BAME community and those over 65. And there’s little point in all of those people isolating unless those who live with them do too.
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So which list are you referring to?
 
Face coverings to be mandatory in shops from 24 July.
I haven't been wearing one as a general rule but had decided I would going forward if I go into shops (which I still avoid as much as possible), given that I am now mixing with more people.
I do wonder how it will be enforced, though.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Face coverings to be mandatory in shops from 24 July.
I haven't been wearing one as a general rule but had decided I would going forward if I go into shops (which I still avoid as much as possible), given that I am now mixing with more people.
I do wonder how it will be enforced, though.
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The police evidently with £100 fines for non-compliance
 
galeforce said:
Why wait 2 weeks?
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Probably to enable people to get a hold of a mask, although this government's mismessaging and ineptness, who knows...

No issues wearing a face mask. even if they offer me a 1% less risky option of catching it (i know the science is about spreaders more evidently however), i'm all for it. If everyone does it, certainly means less chance of spreaders ultimately.
 
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