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Coronavirus

This thread bounces back and forth more than a trendline on a COVID hospitalisations graph.
Every 20 minutes DiamondLights says it is too early to tell and Lilbaz says it is mild.
It is like Optimus Prime vs the Decepticons.
 
Bullet said:
This thread bounces back and forth more than a trendline on a COVID hospitalisations graph.
Every 20 minutes DiamondLights says it is too early to tell and Lilbaz says it is mild.
It is like Optimus Prime vs the Decepticons.
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Lol. Not really diamondlights is saying we need more data. As more data comes in i'll post it. It suggests it is milder. But europe and sa are different. Especially as we are going into winter and they are going into summer. So it may effect us differently.
 
Grays_1890 said:
The point is that three jabs test positive you still have to stay home, so that alone proves that jabs are not the exclusive way out.

Its surely a testing regime
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What's your end point? Everyone has 10 days locked in the cooler twice a year, despite being perfectly well.

It'll be around for ever now. We just need to keep blunting it with vaccines and exposure, and let it settle in as the 5th cold virus.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Surely the vaccine route although great as a drug on the effect is the wrong way as the only way and is being proven. You are never going to outpace the variants, we are a year in a two jabs are seen as not enough now so whats that say about the future? We will be playing catch up until we get a grasp like with flu but that will take 40+ years.

Surely the best way now is to use the jab as a treatment to suppress the effects but the only way to normality is a robust testing programme? You have covid stay home, you dont go out and have your life? The Jabs dont stop the spread as we know so even say thats enough is obvious not enough. Surely the key now is testing
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Absolutely agree re: testing. It is the key. The problem is getting people to test and improving the accuracy of the LFTs. False negatives are still a problem because of the relatively low sensitivity.
 
It's unbelievable watching Tory MPs pretend to care about people's mental health or domestic abuse while cutting funding to services and charities supporting both. Just be honest you don't like being told what to do by the government. That said I think Sajid Javid has acted reasonably and proportionately.
 
Gutter Boy said:
What's your end point? Everyone has 10 days locked in the cooler twice a year, despite being perfectly well.

It'll be around for ever now. We just need to keep blunting it with vaccines and exposure, and let it settle in as the 5th cold virus.
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The end point is that people who do not have the virus should be allowed to go about their lives, it seems madness now that after 2 years of this that we seem intent on restricting the lives of everyone regardless if you have Covid or not.

I work in an industry where they run a three times a week testing regime and those that catch Covid stay at home and those that dont come to work, in 9 months not one fatality and people have managed to have a very normal life, seems crazy that even in that kind of micro scenario you might restrict people who are managing a successful programme of normality
 
Bullet said:
This thread bounces back and forth more than a trendline on a COVID hospitalisations graph.
Every 20 minutes DiamondLights says it is too early to tell and Lilbaz says it is mild.
It is like Optimus Prime vs the Decepticons.
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and Mikey says the end is nigh hahaha !!!
 
Had my booster this morning, it is an impressive operation, I booked it last week, so before the site was overwhelmed, I was in the medical centre for less than five minutes this morning, check in, needle in, walk out.
 
Robspur12 said:
It's unbelievable watching Tory MPs pretend to care about people's mental health or domestic abuse while cutting funding to services and charities supporting both. Just be honest you don't like being told what to do by the government. That said I think Sajid Javid has acted reasonably and proportionately.
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#Repeat x100000000.

I didn't want to post that in here as it's really for the Politics thread, but fudge me, imagine thinking the Tories care about people all of a sudden when they've spent the last 11 years literally giving billions to their pals whilst cutting social services.

I sit on the board of a small children's charity, our funding is basically 2013 level, but please, tell me more how the Tories are worried about mental health.
 
Lilbaz said:
Lol. Not really diamondlights is saying we need more data. As more data comes in i'll post it. It suggests it is milder. But europe and sa are different. Especially as we are going into winter and they are going into summer. So it may effect us differently.
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Wasn't aware i was being spoken about, @ me!

I hope to GHod it's milder and it definitely may be so. The concern i have is by us assuming it is milder, and publicly stating it to be factual without the evidence (lot of media reporting this for example), we will impact the social distancing, mask wearing and other initiatives we are trying to put forward for the benefit of the country. Thus cases will still be increasing and caution thrown to the wind.

The data we do have available is sketchy at best, and per my previous comments, comparing SA to UK on a 1:1 basis is apples and pears. What we do know, without a shadow of doubt, is scientifically speaking, Omicron is 100% more transmissable than original strain. Peter Bone (MP) on Sky News now saying it's believed to be milder, but again, there's little evidence it's milder, did these infected people have Delta just a month ago for example? Controlled studies takes a few months, but we've had Omicron for just 1 month. So we just don't know for sure right now. CMO of Moderna said the same today, takes 2/3 months for us to know.

Lastly, 5 Million people in UK not vaccinated. Delta still around. 3 billion people unvaccinated on the planet roughly. If the virus is 30% milder than orginal strain (based on the initial studies of small numbers in SA), but 100% more transmissable... well... that's not good news.
 
markysimmo said:
and Mikey says the end is nigh hahaha !!!
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Lol.

I'm all for getting back to normality - and I've worked in crowded classrooms for the best part of the last two years, so life has largely continued to feel reasonably normal to me.

I do chortle at the endless blind optimism of some on here, though. We've gone from 'Cases are falling, it's all over' a couple of months ago; through 'Almost everyone has now been exposed, so there is no one left to infect'; past 'No one will be re-infected - those who had SARS still have immunity 15 years later'; to 'It's a milder variant and it won't affect hospitilisations.'

Unfortunately, as the last fortnight has shown, normality is still some way off.
 
oh and one other comment to my point above, saying it's 'mild' we're kinda conflating with hospitilisation. We may not see hospitilisation, but you may see serious impact from illness, i.e. being bed ridden for a week or so. Great we're not being hospitalised, but again, with the expected R0 being at least 4, potentially higher, you could see it impact many areas of life, hospitals, police, infrastructure etc in a very short time frame.
 
Robspur12 said:
Absolutely agree re: testing. It is the key. The problem is getting people to test and improving the accuracy of the LFTs. False negatives are still a problem because of the relatively low sensitivity.
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Allegedly 50% of omicron cases are asymptomatic.
Diamond Lights said:
Wasn't aware i was being spoken about, @ me!

I hope to GHod it's milder and it definitely may be so. The concern i have is by us assuming it is milder, and publicly stating it to be factual without the evidence (lot of media reporting this for example), we will impact the social distancing, mask wearing and other initiatives we are trying to put forward for the benefit of the country. Thus cases will still be increasing and caution thrown to the wind.

The data we do have available is sketchy at best, and per my previous comments, comparing SA to UK on a 1:1 basis is apples and pears. What we do know, without a shadow of doubt, is scientifically speaking, Omicron is 100% more transmissable than original strain. Peter Bone (MP) on Sky News now saying it's believed to be milder, but again, there's little evidence it's milder, did these infected people have Delta just a month ago for example? Controlled studies takes a few months, but we've had Omicron for just 1 month. So we just don't know for sure right now. CMO of Moderna said the same today, takes 2/3 months for us to know.

Lastly, 5 Million people in UK not vaccinated. Delta still around. 3 billion people unvaccinated on the planet roughly. If the virus is 30% milder than orginal strain (based on the initial studies of small numbers in SA), but 100% more transmissable... well... that's not good news.
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But you can't dismiss what is happening in south africa. They are saying it's basically a different virus with different symptoms. It doesn't cause covid pneumonia, it doesn't cause a cytokine storm. They have old people in south africa that have caught it and have been monitored.

The media went into full panic mode. It will cause between 25-75,000 deaths. Pubs and the west end have been devestated. Ofcourse we should take precautions but we can't lockdown every time there is a new variant. Cause there will be loads.
 
Lilbaz said:
Allegedly 50% of omicron cases are asymptomatic.


But you can't dismiss what is happening in south africa. They are saying it's basically a different virus with different symptoms. It doesn't cause covid pneumonia, it doesn't cause a cytokine storm. They have old people in south africa that have caught it and have been monitored.

The media went into full panic mode. It will cause between 25-75,000 deaths. Pubs and the west end have been devestated. Ofcourse we should take precautions but we can't lockdown every time there is a new variant. Cause there will be loads.
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We haven’t locked down…. We have reintroduced some sensible measures to buy time for more data to come through.
 
Another post... as chief doomonger in the group let's flip it...

IF the news out of SA is as expected, low hospitilisation, it bodes well for UK as we have large proportion of infected previously and a far greater number of vaccinated, meaning antibody response levels would be high for the country, better than what is in SA.
 
Diamond Lights said:
The data we do have available is sketchy at best, and per my previous comments, comparing SA to UK on a 1:1 basis is apples and pears
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Of course but then that would beg the question that how would we then know so much the other way aka two vaccines dont work and the end is nigh? Works both ways no?
 
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