Coronavirus

[Parklaner81]

London needs it more, but if they make it London only you can be sure some people would interpret it to mean their areas are safe. I'd be surprised if an more severe lockdown isn't announced this week. At moment we are following the Italy curve with a two week delay. We really want to do better and that needs more of a lockdown whether mandatory or voluntary. Boris has given the choice and unfortunately it will have to be mandatory.

I really think it's time (actually I thought it was time several days ago) for him to start taking a sterner line in his addresses. I made the point the other day about him going to town praising the public's efforts, when in reality we all know there's been a stark divide on this. It's time for him to start acknowledging that divide by making clear that his praise is meant only for those actually being responsible, and that those that don't fall into that category need to fall in line sharpish.

 

[El Guepardo]

I don't think you can only blame London, what about Norfolk and Skegness for instance that had thousands out as well or Brighton which was packed? If they put one in then it needs to be everywhere.

Definitely this. The problem isn’t confined to London. If London is locked down and the virus continues to spread elsewhere with no actions taken then nothing is solved by locking London.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

I agree, I think Boris needs to start calling out the muppets, “UK has to close down because some people can’t be trusted”.

 

[Baleforce]

who would have thought the british public would so bullishly act against their own self interest

 

[markysimmo]

All go

How's China doing nowadays? Have they relaxed things yet or are they still on high alert?

All good the animal markets are back, crazy brick being eaten again no doubt, spitting on the floor happening all over

 

[markysimmo]

All go

How's China doing nowadays? Have they relaxed things yet or are they still on high alert?

All good the animal markets are back, crazy brick being eaten again no doubt, spitting on the floor happening all over

 

[djp82]

I’m out and about working today. I’d rather be sat at home safe and sound but sadly no choice.

What’s amazing me is the people I’m seeing out and about are what’s being classed as vulnerable . Groups of older people.

This country needs a lock down to be enforced as some have said people can’t be trusted. Sky News’s video from previous page should be mandatory viewing for all. Bloody horrific.

 

[Grays_1890]

Its ok to slaughter people but for weeks the Government played this down so some of it lies at their door, thats why the wider world is slagging us off for our lack of action.

This is a first for the UK since the war so people need to be given a break, most have adhered some are taking time doing it, they probably need enforced action to make it happen but this has been the norm since only Friday so lets give some slack.

 

[jts1882]

How's China doing nowadays? Have they relaxed things yet or are they still on high alert?

Beginning to relax things, even in wuhan. Although their relaxed is still more clamped down than us.

Wuhan’s residents start to emerge from crisis
Residents living in the city of 11 million people at the heart of the virus outbreak have been allowed to leave their residential compounds in small groups for the first time in weeks. Public transport is resuming and people are being allowed to return to work if the are certified healthy. Non-residents, stranded there since stringent travel restrictions went into effect on 23 January, can also begin applying to leave the city. China reported 39 fresh virus cases from Sunday, all imported from overseas.

 

[jts1882]

I really think it's time (actually I thought it was time several days ago) for him to start taking a sterner line in his addresses. I made the point the other day about him going to town praising the public's efforts, when in reality we all know there's been a stark divide on this. It's time for him to start acknowledging that divide by making clear that his praise is meant only for those actually being responsible, and that those that don't fall into that category need to fall in line sharpish.

I think his approach is being governed by nudge theory, for which some of his advisers are strong advocates.

There is a pattern where he says we will need to do something in the future if necessary. Then he introduces some advice, again reiterating more may need to be done. We've seen this with self-isolating and working from home, banning large gatherings, the pub and restaurant ban, school closures and now the stricter stay home advice.

His critics say he is dithering and only acting when forced, after people start working from home, after the sports leagues close down, after some schools close, and so on. But the advantage of the phased approach is that most people have accepted the necessity of the measures and agree when a government minister says the people going to the parks are being selfish. If the measures had been imposed immediate there may have been more backlash.

We will see if we have waited too long. We are following the Italy curve too closely for my liking. On the two weeks behind plots the number of deaths has followed Italy very closely. This curve would have our daily deaths rising into the several hundreds this week with the total exceeding 1000 by the weekend. A lockdown now would still be a bit earlier than theirs so it's time to get it done.

 

[Grays_1890]

My Mate on the train today

 

[djp82]

Its ok to slaughter people but for weeks the Government played this down so some of it lies at their door, thats why the wider world is slagging us off for our lack of action.

This is a first for the UK since the war so people need to be given a break, most have adhered some are taking time doing it, they probably need enforced action to make it happen but this has been the norm since only Friday so lets give some slack.

Yes I see where you’re coming from. The message has been a bit nice from the government. Like the praise he gives when he addresses the nation . Makes it seem like enough is being done.

Needs to be a bit sterner. I understand we need our freedom and as a western democracy are lucky to lead a fairly good lifestyle in most aspects.

Let’s just hope the message is taken in ASAP. It’s almost like they are given people enough rope to hang them selves. So if and when the lock down comes they’ll say we asked nicely and you did not listen.

 

[Parklaner81]

I think his approach is being governed by nudge theory, for which some of his advisers are strong advocates.

There is a pattern where he says we will need to do something in the future if necessary. Then he introduces some advice, again reiterating more may need to be done. We've seen this with self-isolating and working from home, banning large gatherings, the pub and restaurant ban, school closures and now the stricter stay home advice.

His critics say he is dithering and only acting when forced, after people start working from home, after the sports leagues close down, after some schools close, and so on. But the advantage of the phased approach is that most people have accepted the necessity of the measures and agree when a government minister says the people going to the parks are being selfish. If the measures had been imposed immediate there may have been more backlash.

We will see if we have waited too long. We are following the Italy curve too closely for my liking. On the two weeks behind plots the number of deaths has followed Italy very closely. This curve would have our daily deaths rising into the several hundreds this week with the total exceeding 1000 by the weekend. A lockdown now would still be a bit earlier than theirs so it's time to get it done.

Yeah, I wasn't criticising the overall strategy, I actually think the phasing-in of restrictions has been very sensible. What I was suggesting was that within that strategy, the time has certainly come to take a firmer approach to those either not grasping, or willfully ignoring the seriousness of the situation and the level of responsibility required of all.

 

[braineclipse]

I think his approach is being governed by nudge theory, for which some of his advisers are strong advocates.

There is a pattern where he says we will need to do something in the future if necessary. Then he introduces some advice, again reiterating more may need to be done. We've seen this with self-isolating and working from home, banning large gatherings, the pub and restaurant ban, school closures and now the stricter stay home advice.

His critics say he is dithering and only acting when forced, after people start working from home, after the sports leagues close down, after some schools close, and so on. But the advantage of the phased approach is that most people have accepted the necessity of the measures and agree when a government minister says the people going to the parks are being selfish. If the measures had been imposed immediate there may have been more backlash.

We will see if we have waited too long. We are following the Italy curve too closely for my liking. On the two weeks behind plots the number of deaths has followed Italy very closely. This curve would have our daily deaths rising into the several hundreds this week with the total exceeding 1000 by the weekend. A lockdown now would still be a bit earlier than theirs so it's time to get it done.

Just an outside observer, so my knowledge is obviously limited. Based on the sharp rise in cases you've seen I think the approach of flattening the curve, but not flattening it too much is a difficult one. I would think a very good understanding of the number of cases and development over the coming weeks is necessary to make it work. Not sure that information is available.

If it can be worked well it seems like the better approach. In Norway we've taken a different, more restrictive approach. Emotionally that feels safer for me.

Very difficult, loads will be learned from this. For many that knowledge will come too late.

Hope you're all doing well.

 

[elltrev]

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My Mate on the train today

It’s totally surreal to see these kinds of images.

I guess if we’re giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, they’re all people who can’t work from home and who have no other means of affordable transport? In which case the government needs to come up with a solution very quickly, because that is bizarre and terrifying to see in the current climate.

 

[JerusalemMan]

Its ok to slaughter people but for weeks the Government played this down so some of it lies at their door, thats why the wider world is slagging us off for our lack of action.

This is a first for the UK since the war so people need to be given a break, most have adhered some are taking time doing it, they probably need enforced action to make it happen but this has been the norm since only Friday so lets give some slack.

The wider world...?
Like they all have a much more informed and enlightened perspective than we do?
As if it's even true.

Executive Director of the World Health Organisation said we were doing the right things over the weekend, that's alright.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

who would have thought the british public would so bullishly act against their own self interest

Ha, ha, yeah who would have thought?

 

[jts1882]

Yeah, I wasn't criticising the overall strategy, I actually think the phasing-in of restrictions has been very sensible. What I was suggesting was that within that strategy, the time has certainly come to take a firmer approach to those either not grasping, or willfully ignoring the seriousness of the situation and the level of responsibility required of all.

Definitely. It might be time to stop assuming that enough people will act like sensible grown-ups and get stricter with the selfish cvnts. The majority now recognise that a minority are risking the whole strategy and will be more accepting of tough measures.

Just an outside observer, so my knowledge is obviously limited. Based on the sharp rise in cases you've seen I think the approach of flattening the curve, but not flattening it too much is a difficult one. I would think a very good understanding of the number of cases and development over the coming weeks is necessary to make it work. Not sure that information is available.

If it can be worked well it seems like the better approach. In Norway we've taken a different, more restrictive approach. Emotionally that feels safer for me.

Very difficult, loads will be learned from this. For many that knowledge will come too late.

Hope you're all doing well.

Yes, the policy of flattening the curve just enough would work better with more knowledge. Relying on empirical data with a delay of weeks is far from ideal. We've already had on major reassessment based on the surprising number of ICU patients among Italian victims. Now might be the time to err on the over-flattening side. Not doing it enough can lead to things getting out of control.

I wouldn't like to be the scientists. They are advising on best available information knowing that there are many unknowns. If it goes wrong it will be their reputations destroyed, even if they were making the sensible decisions based on reasonable assumptions.

In one way we can consider Europe one big experiment with different countries in place of lab rats.

 

[Grays_1890]

The wider world...?
Like they all have a much more informed and enlightened perspective than we do?
As if it's even true.

Executive Director of the World Health Organisation said we were doing the right things over the weekend, that's alright.

I mean we are being slaughtered for being slow.

The point I am making is people followed the advise and this weekend was the first weekend of the lock in whilst people told to get exercise and fresh air. People a small portion went OTT on the first weekend. Don't think that deserves a slaughtering

 

[Glenda's Legs]

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My Mate on the train today

That looks truly awful. But when you think about it there are so many people that still need to physically travel into work. Doctors and nurses obviously (and not just those dealing with corona related patients), lab technicians, phlebotomists, x-ray staff, chemo staff, dialysis staff etc etc. Plus hospital porters, hospital cleaners, hospital kitchen staff, hospital security. Outside the NHS - shop staff (ie supermarkets, chemists), warehouse staff, delivery drivers; utility company maintenance staff; transport staff; and loads others that are deemed key. Combine that with people still going to work because they can’t work from home but their employer hasn’t shut down operations yet so the government subsidy doesn’t come into play; self employed who have no extra help; and then transport companies running reduced services so all these key workers are cramming into fewer trains - it’s a recipe for disaster.