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glorygloryeze said:
Btw @tommysvr now the lockdown has been lifted, i assume you are able to go and visit your dad now?
Does he (and people like him that would be on the shielded list) move out and about freely now, or at least as he used to?

Has life for you and everyone else day-to-day returned to normal? Are there any things you can't quite do as you used to, e.g. more limits in stadiums, theatres, cafes etc?
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It's definitely not back to full normal. Going for a beer, means booking exact number of people, scanning to enter your details etc. Cinemas are open to restricted numbers, stadiums are opening up in some cities, eg Brisbane is expecting 60k for a pretty big rugby game tomorrow night between. Clubs etc are a while off IMO. Same with casinos for some reason. Swimming pools, gyms opened up this week. Most shops are open and quite busy. Office workers like me are still told to work from home and I think we won't be required back in offices until the vaccines kick into effect.

This Bills Gates podcast is interesting in terms of returning to normality. Anthony Fauci is a guest along with Rashida Jones. Funny how none of these people like Gates and Fauci think lockdowns are ridiculous but Trump, Scara and Legohamster do. I know whose advice I'd be trusting.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Podcast?WT.mc_id=20201112100000_Podcast_BG-EM_&WT.tsrc=BGEM
 
glorygloryeze said:
I saw that, but i was referring to @nayenezgani who mentions the word and labels everything and everyone who isn't 400% sold on full knockdowns in such a way...Now to your questions...



I am anti-lockdown for a variety of reasons, including the reasons and methods being used to justify the lockdown in the UK: the way numbers are being counted for deaths in hospitals and the mass testing being used which uses a methodology that the government itself says cannot be used to identify infectious individuals on its own.
The 'cure' of this lockdown and its effect on society as a whole is to my mind now even worse than the disease itself.

The powers that the UK Government (and seemingly several others elsewhere) are awarding themselves during these lockdowns are almost unprecedented and like a lot of anti-terror laws you'd imagine will be hard for them to give up when this is "over".
If i had more faith in the numbers, the method of testing and/or could see we are having excess deaths this winter then it would be horrible but you'd have take it on the chin.
Alas, as i posted earlier i have several doubts about the data and testing.

Happy for people to disagree and discuss, but when "conspiracy nut" is thrown around before said discussion, well...
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You can be as anti-lockdown as you want. Problem is, if we didn’t have them then hospitals would be overrun and you’d have people dying in car parks (see Italy in March/April). That’s why there are - and will continue to be - lockdowns until the vaccine has been delivered to a sizeable slice of the population.
 
Mikey10 said:
You can be as anti-lockdown as you want. Problem is, if we didn’t have them then hospitals would be overrun and you’d have people dying in car parks (see Italy in March/April). That’s why there are - and will continue to be - lockdowns until the vaccine has been delivered to a sizeable slice of the population.
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[Could be]
 
Mikey10 said:
You can be as anti-lockdown as you want. Problem is, if we didn’t have them then hospitals would be overrun and you’d have people dying in car parks (see Italy in March/April). That’s why there are - and will continue to be - lockdowns until the vaccine has been delivered to a sizeable slice of the population.
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Wait til you hear about @glorygloryeze's thoughts on the vaccine! Get this, the government are using it to insert mind-control chips that trick you into believing Brexit is a good idea. You couldn't make it up.
 
awesome dawson said:
It's definitely not back to full normal. Going for a beer, means booking exact number of people, scanning to enter your details etc. Cinemas are open to restricted numbers, stadiums are opening up in some cities, eg Brisbane is expecting 60k for a pretty big rugby game tomorrow night between. Clubs etc are a while off IMO. Same with casinos for some reason. Swimming pools, gyms opened up this week. Most shops are open and quite busy. Office workers like me are still told to work from home and I think we won't be required back in offices until the vaccines kick into effect.

This Bills Gates podcast is interesting in terms of returning to normality. Anthony Fauci is a guest along with Rashida Jones. Funny how none of these people like Gates and Fauci think lockdowns are ridiculous but Trump, Scara and Legohamster do. I know whose advice I'd be trusting.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Podcast?WT.mc_id=20201112100000_Podcast_BG-EM_&WT.tsrc=BGEM
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Hmm, sounds grim but inevitable for you guys at this point given the need to quell the fears of the virus returning (i see Australia went for an 'elimination' strategy rather than a 'containment/we have to live with it' strategy.
If even with a masss vaccination roll-out this is how life has to go on (pre-booking even going to the local pub, no social spontaneity, no simple meeting large numbers of mates en mass etc) then that is grim indeed imo

I'll listen to that podcast when i get a mo, thanks.
Btw, those two (Fauci and Gate) might be more qualified than Scara and others on here to give views on the whole covid situation (though who knows, it is after all just a forum and we might not fully know what peopel are like in real life) but they are no more qualified than several other individuals and groups who have a different opinion...
 
glorygloryeze said:
Covid-19, pandemic management and 'new normals' should be first on the agenda lists of any GG podcasts..
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I really don't think it should be. Brexit and Covid are divisive conversations basically because no-one really has a scooby about the pathways and outcomes, and if it plays out the way it has in the two relevant thread it adds nothing conclusive or positive.

There is plenty to be fished out of Random that can compliment the football chat
 
Mikey10 said:
You can be as anti-lockdown as you want. Problem is, if we didn’t have them then hospitals would be overrun and you’d have people dying in car parks (see Italy in March/April). That’s why there are - and will continue to be - lockdowns until the vaccine has been delivered to a sizeable slice of the population.
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I imagine they are indeed here to stay, uinfortunately.:(
Not sure i agree that people would be dying in the streets or car parks if we hadn't shut down this autumn. I know several friends and family members who work in the NHS and say the system is no more overloaded than previous years and again, there are several scientists who disagree with SAGE's data/suggestions.

As i say, i believe that the 'cure' of continued mass lockdown is worse than the actual disease itself; and many scientists/scientist groups agree but there you go..
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I really don't think it should be. Brexit and Covid are divisive conversations basically because no-one really has a scooby about the pathways and outcomes, and if it plays out the way it has in the two relevant thread it adds nothing conclusive or positive.

There is plenty to be fished out of Random that can compliment the football chat
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thfcsteff said:
Except not really.
More like -

Mourinho
Sissoko
Serge Aurier's enormous thighs...oh and the match played previously!
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Hmm, ok...standing agenda items instead then?
:D
 
awesome dawson said:
It's definitely not back to full normal. Going for a beer, means booking exact number of people, scanning to enter your details etc. Cinemas are open to restricted numbers, stadiums are opening up in some cities, eg Brisbane is expecting 60k for a pretty big rugby game tomorrow night between. Clubs etc are a while off IMO. Same with casinos for some reason. Swimming pools, gyms opened up this week. Most shops are open and quite busy. Office workers like me are still told to work from home and I think we won't be required back in offices until the vaccines kick into effect.

This Bills Gates podcast is interesting in terms of returning to normality. Anthony Fauci is a guest along with Rashida Jones. Funny how none of these people like Gates and Fauci think lockdowns are ridiculous but Trump, Scara and Legohamster do. I know whose advice I'd be trusting.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Podcast?WT.mc_id=20201112100000_Podcast_BG-EM_&WT.tsrc=BGEM
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Of course they think that kind of intervention is the answer.

Ask a bridge builder how to get across a river and he'll tell you to build a bridge. Ask a tunnel digger (IDK what people who that manual stuff are called) and he'll tell you to dig a tunnel.

As for the rest of your post, that sounds terrible - you have my sympathy. Seems like lock downs didn't fix anything much at all.
 
scaramanga said:
Of course they think that kind of intervention is the answer.

Ask a bridge builder how to get across a river and he'll tell you to build a bridge. Ask a tunnel digger (IDK what people who that manual stuff are called) and he'll tell you to dig a tunnel.

As for the rest of your post, that sounds terrible. Seems like lock downs didn't fix anything
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I think they are not long out of lockdown?......so loosening the reins slowly.
 
scaramanga said:
Of course they think that kind of intervention is the answer.

Ask a bridge builder how to get across a river and he'll tell you to build a bridge. Ask a tunnel digger (IDK what people who that manual stuff are called) and he'll tell you to dig a tunnel.

As for the rest of your post, that sounds terrible - you have my sympathy. Seems like lock downs didn't fix anything much at all.
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Hahaha ok....

Given Melbourne is only two weeks out of lockdown i think it’s reasonable to allow some time for the economy to get back to full speed, especially given there is no doubt covid still out there. Let’s see what shape our economy is in though by xmas compared to others. I heard today Sweden is now limiting gatherings to 8 down from 100 so seems that their approach really worked out for them...
 
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