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Coronavirus

Sounds like the U.K. will be lucky if it’s out of the lockdown by Dec, I’m shocked. Who would have thought it wouldn’t be a month.
 
glorygloryeze said:
According to the this from Government website: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november#businesses-and-venues


Businesses and venues which must close
To reduce social contact, the regulations require some businesses to close and impose restrictions on how some businesses provide goods and services. These include:

  • Non-essential retail, such as clothing and homeware stores, vehicle showrooms (other than for rental), betting shops, tailors, tobacco and vape shops, electronic goods and mobile phone shops, and market stalls selling non-essential goods. These venues can continue to be able to operate click-and-collect (where goods are pre-ordered and collected off the premises) and delivery services
  • Hospitality venues such as cafes, restaurants, pubs, bars and social clubs; with the exception of providing food and drink for takeaway (before 10pm; and not including alcohol), click-and-collect, drive-through or delivery
  • Accommodation such as hotels, hostels, guest houses and campsites. Except for specific circumstances, such as where these act as someone’s main residence, where the person cannot return home, for homeless people, or where it is essential to stay there for work purposes
  • Leisure and sports facilities such as leisure centres and gyms, swimming pools, tennis and basketball courts, golf courses, fitness and dance studios, climbing walls, archery, driving, and shooting ranges
  • Entertainment venues such as theatres, concert halls, cinemas, museums and galleries, casinos, amusement arcades, bingo halls, bowling alleys, skating rinks, go-karting venues, soft play centres and areas, circuses, fairgrounds, funfairs, zoos and other animal attractions, water parks and theme parks. Indoor attractions at botanical gardens, heritage homes and landmarks must also close, though outdoor grounds of these premises can stay open
  • Personal care facilities such as hair, beauty, tanning and nail salons. Tattoo parlours, spas, massage parlours, body and skin piercing services must also close. It is also prohibited to provide these services in other peoples’ homes
  • Community centres and halls must close except for a limited number of exempt activities as set out below Libraries can also remain open to provide access to IT and digital services - for example for people who do not have it at home - and for click-and-collect
  • Places of worship, apart from for the purposes of independent prayer, for funerals or funeral commemorative events, to broadcast an act of worship, to provide essential voluntary services or urgent public support services, for registered childcare, and to host permitted gatherings.
These businesses and places will also be permitted to be open for a small number of exempt activities, including:

  • education and training (for schools to use sports, leisure and community facilities where that is part of their normal provision)
  • childcare purposes and supervised activities for children (in community centres and halls, and places of worship; and supervised activities for children in indoor sports and leisure facilities)
  • hosting blood donation sessions and food banks (in community centres and halls, places of worship, and libraries)
  • to provide medical treatment
  • for elite sports persons to train and compete (in indoor and outdoor sports facilities), and professional dancers and choreographers to work (in fitness and dance studios)
  • for training and rehearsal without an audience (in theatres and concert halls)
  • for the purposes of professional film and TV filming (in retail, entertainment and leisure venues, as well as visitor attractions)
Businesses and venues which can remain open
Other businesses and venues are permitted to stay open, following COVID-19 Secure guidelines. This includes those providing essential goods, including:

  • Essential retail such as food shops, supermarkets, pharmacies, garden centres, hardware stores, building merchants and off-licences.
  • Petrol Stations, car repair and MOT services, bicycle shops, and taxi and vehicle hire businesses.
  • Banks, building societies, post offices, short-term loan providers and money transfer businesses
  • Funeral directors
  • Laundrettes and dry cleaners
  • Medical and dental services
  • Vets and pet shops
  • Agricultural supplies shops
  • Storage and distribution facilities
  • Car parks, public toilets and motorway service areas.
  • Outdoor playgrounds
Public Services
The majority of public services will continue and you will be able to leave home to visit them. These include:

  • the NHS and medical services like GPs and dentists. We are supporting the NHS to carry out urgent and non-urgent services safely, and it is vital anyone who thinks they need any kind of medical care comes forward and seeks help
  • Jobcentre Plus sites
  • Courts and probation services
  • Civil Registrations Offices
  • Passport and Visa Services
  • Services provided to victims
  • Waste or Recycling Centres
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Can you still go on holiday to Europe? No doubt Heathrow is still open for business.

I hate to say it but that lockdown isn’t going to work. There is zero chance of it working in six months let alone one month. Typical of the UK government response that they can’t get the lockdown ready right.

All this talk of vaccines is hiding the reality that there will be thousands of deaths in the UK over the coming months, let alone the fcukfest of what’s happening in the US. Boris and Trump should be tried for negligence.
 
Legohamster said:
Rightly or wrongly people are ignoring it this time for a a couple of reasons

1. Data it was based on was bogus, if you are presenting wildly inaccurate stats that got taken apart by the modeller and ONS people will ignore it if it’s seen not to be truthful.

2. Jobs, people have to work - Furlough isn’t the silver bullet and people are losing jobs / companies.
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Hahahaha you’re a full Qanon nutjob aren’t you.

Just out of interest, is it purely on economic/financial reasoning that you’re comfortable with the loss of life being higher than it needs to be?
 
nayenezgani said:
Check out the Twitter account @glorygloryeze posted as a credible 'news' reference a few pages back. It's mind boggling.
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Sigh, here we go again...i quoted the science of that account and again you go around throwing 'conspiracy' labels without backing yourself up.
Shall we go into the science of PCR tests or are you again going to run away whilst shouting the odds like a child?
 
Legohamster said:
Sounds like the U.K. will be lucky if it’s out of the lockdown by Dec, I’m shocked. Who would have thought it wouldn’t be a month.
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Your prediction that Adelaide would be under lockdown for another seven months seems about as accurate as the the rest of your guesses. After about two days the track and trace system is reportedly working well and the first test against India should be going ahead as scheduled. Pubs remain open with 100 person limit.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Sigh, here we go again...i quoted the science of that account and again you go around throwing 'conspiracy' labels without backing yourself up.
Shall we go into the science of PCR tests or are you again going to run away whilst shouting the odds like a child?
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No testing for Covid is perfect. It's one of the best methods available in terms of limiting false negatives and basically eliminating false positives.

You can read more here: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734

The fact that you're trying to push this narrative of authorities deliberately using an inaccurate testing method for some inexplicable agenda affords me the right to label you a conspiracy nut.
 
awesome dawson said:
Can you still go on holiday to Europe? No doubt Heathrow is still open for business.

I hate to say it but that lockdown isn’t going to work. There is zero chance of it working in six months let alone one month. Typical of the UK government response that they can’t get the lockdown ready right.

All this talk of vaccines is hiding the reality that there will be thousands of deaths in the UK over the coming months, let alone the fcukfest of what’s happening in the US. Boris and Trump should be tried for negligence.
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You can fly to and from Europe but depending on the country you have to self-isolate when you retrun.
No, it is not enforced via the army/security services before you ask :)

I don't think Lockdown is neccesary. The data i've seen on deaths doesn't support it imo given:

a) everybody who is admitted to hospital (for whatever reason) is tested for Covid-19
b) if anybody dies in hospital (for whatever reason, heart attack, stroke, cancer, road traffic accident) within 28 days of such a positive test (and bare in mind they test upon admission as a routine) then that death counts towards the covid-19 death numbers
c) there are quite high numbers of positive cases being found from the PCR test whereby people are asymptomatic; so they could be having symptoms of other totally different diseases/conditions (which they are being admitted for) but test positive for covid-19
d) the PCR test method has even been said by our own PHE/Government to not being able to define if a person has infectious virus in their system, yet it is the main method being used en mass..
e) flu deaths seem to have disappeared into the ether (i cannot find any data on them in the same way that can be found for Covid-19)...

The really key thing is actually that unlike back during the spring, we don;t seem to be seeing excess winter deaths. If we were before and during this lockdown, then maybe my opinion on the number of deaths would be different.
As of now, i think the UK numbers are being grossly exaggerated because of 1) the inaccuracies of the PCR testing method and 2) the over-simplistic way the numbers are being generated (i.e./ the straight positive result within 28 days method which does not allow for context imo).

I'd be interested to hear how Covid-19 deaths have been classified in Australia; is it also based on a positive test within a certain time of death and do you do other tests alongside (or instead of) the PCR test?
 
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