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Are we in some ways heading for an impossible outcome to all this regardless of what anyone believes is the correct course.

We were trying to develop a vaccine that will allow the world to resume, one that will save lives, but we have a flu jab now which in development for how long which isn't a definitive cure, so what chance do we have of finding a vaccine from a standing start that is better than the cure we have for flu. The current flu jab works better in youth than elderly so if this vaccine follows a similar track we will still be fudged.

Are we putting too much reliance on a vaccine?
 
The vaccine won't fix this in reality. It will probably cover 30% according to some models. Our challenge here is recovering the hearts and minds and rebuilding trust so we can function in a different way till there is a system that protects all.

The problem for the UK is that the govt has lost trust due to them being incompetent cuunts.
 
LutonSpurs said:
The vaccine won't fix this in reality. It will probably cover 30% according to some models. Our challenge here is recovering the hearts and minds and rebuilding trust so we can function in a different way till there is a system that protects all.

The problem for the UK is that the govt has lost trust due to them being incompetent cuunts.
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Could not agree more
 
LutonSpurs said:
The vaccine won't fix this in reality. It will probably cover 30% according to some models. Our challenge here is recovering the hearts and minds and rebuilding trust so we can function in a different way till there is a system that protects all.

The problem for the UK is that the govt has lost trust due to them being incompetent cuunts.
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Is that right? Only 30% effective or do you mean something else?
 
LutonSpurs said:
So this article says 56% but I have seen models that say lower.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1318856516041138177
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Ah. He is playing the numbers game a little using flu vaccination comparisons to do the maths. The vaccine itself he is saying is 75% likely to make you immune which is also a guess at this time.
Anyway it will be interesting how much pressure will be put on people to get vaccinated when it is available.

Here is the unsaid question in that article. Should there be compulsory vaccinations for all?
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Are we in some ways heading for an impossible outcome to all this regardless of what anyone believes is the correct course.

We were trying to develop a vaccine that will allow the world to resume, one that will save lives, but we have a flu jab now which in development for how long which isn't a definitive cure, so what chance do we have of finding a vaccine from a standing start that is better than the cure we have for flu. The current flu jab works better in youth than elderly so if this vaccine follows a similar track we will still be fudged.

Are we putting too much reliance on a vaccine?
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Getting this virus to the level of flu would be an excellent outcome. We are on the way with treatments; a vaccine would be a great help - even one that works at 50% would be a great start. It would only improve from there.

Fauci was on Andrew Marr this morning; he seemed reasonably confident that life would be heading towards normality by the second or third quarter of next year. He’s usually pretty conservative in his outlook.
 
Mikey10 said:
Getting this virus to the level of flu would be an excellent outcome. We are on the way with treatments; a vaccine would be a great help - even one that works at 50% would be a great start. It would only improve from there.

Fauci was on Andrew Marr this morning; he seemed reasonably confident that life would be heading towards normality by the second or third quarter of next year. He’s usually pretty conservative in his outlook.
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That's optimistic which is great. I'm slightly more sceptical for reasons mentioned but I do hope the wait and hope for vaccine is worth it and yields results I really do.
 
Grays_1890 said:
That's optimistic which is great. I'm slightly more sceptical for reasons mentioned but I do hope the wait and hope for vaccine is worth it and yields results I really do.
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It's hugely important in the greater context too. Even just one misstep and the anti-vaccine crowd will become even louder. The more that bunch of idiots grows, the more at risk the rest of us are.

For example:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1320175614305824768
 
tommysvr said:
It's hugely important in the greater context too. Even just one misstep and the anti-vaccine crowd will become even louder. The more that bunch of idiots grows, the more at risk the rest of us are.

For example:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1320175614305824768
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Im pro vaccine I just hope it works because I think we are heading to an all on black moment where we putting everything into the hope we develop one and its successful. If a vaccine is around the 50% success Im not sure what that means for us considering it really has to work for those that need it most, if we give them the vaccine, open back up to the way we are, which is why we are waiting and it does not work we are going to be left with another spike of deaths which leaves us back to just a few steps infront of where we are now.
 
scaramanga said:
I've seen that there are a few (meaning virtually none) that have had COVID-19 and also have some long term conditions.

So far nobody credible has gone further than to say there may be a link.

So if you're asking me how much I care about something that might not exist and, if it does, only exists in immeasurably small numbers, my answer is not at all.
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Yup, this Long-COVID sounds much like the Freshers Flu I caught during my first semester back in 1996; when a Law student brought back an influenza strain from India that I had sod all immunity to and it left me feeling run down for months afterwards whilst a couple of other undergraduates in our block ended up dropping out because their post-vial fatigue was so severe.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1305764827416199169

I see that many doctors now grouping it together with CFS / ME. At least the publicity should help secure additional funding for research into these chronic conditions.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308452315762958344
 
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A Covid test that can provide a result in 12 minutes will be made available at high street pharmacy Boots.

The nasal swab test, which will cost £120, will be available in more than 50 stores across the UK to anyone who is not showing symptoms.

The test, and the device needed to process it, have been approved by authorities in Europe and the US.

In trials on more than 500 patients it accurately detected the virus in more than 97% of cases

The technology has been developed by UK-based life sciences company LumiraDx, which has also struck a deal to provide supplies to the NHS in Scotland.

The test, which detects the presence of a Covid-19 antigen protein, is said to be considerably faster than other rapid tests currently being trialled, which produce results in an average time of 90 minutes.

The service is available as a private pre-flight testing service for customers who require a test before travelling abroad. It is also available for people seeking peace of mind before seeing friends and family.

Depending on demand and feedback, the launch may extend to 200 stores over the coming months.

The equipment connects to a cloud system, which could potentially allow for speedy tracking of disease outbreaks by health authorities.

Speedy and comprehensive testing is thought vital to efforts to contain the second wave of the virus while the world waits for an effective vaccine.

But figures released last week showed that just 15.1% of people are currently receiving results within 24 hours through the official system in place in the UK
 
Rorschach said:
Ah. He is playing the numbers game a little using flu vaccination comparisons to do the maths. The vaccine itself he is saying is 75% likely to make you immune which is also a guess at this time.
Anyway it will be interesting how much pressure will be put on people to get vaccinated when it is available.

Here is the unsaid question in that article. Should there be compulsory vaccinations for all?
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No. Govts shouldn't be able to compel people to do anything.

Instead it should be a prerequisite for receiving benefits, medical treatment, etc.
 
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