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Coronavirus
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ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Exactly this
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Does anyone know why the Focus in the media and government is so firmly on new cases and not the death rate? Back in March/April it was all about the number of dead, now it’s about new cases.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Interesting, this was the scare mongering slide the briefing out out last week saying how the cases were doubling and doubling, as expected utter rubbish, -4K under what they said already
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
I think because they expect one to follow the other but if it doesn't these should be drilling down on why, which will be age and use this data to influence future decisions
Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
I think the worry is the death rate will tick upwards.There is growing evidence it might not though. France registered over 11,000 new cases today and 27 deaths. That’s 27 too many, but it does give some hope.
There will be a focus on case numbers too because of worries about the NHS being overwhelmed, I suppose.
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
Hopefully the fact that it’s mostly youngsters getting infected this time around means the CFR will be much lower...
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
The treatments are much better. And the care homes are shielded. The numbers aren't going to be as high. I guess the concern driving the measures is that people will infect vulnerable folk if they don't control them?
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Yeh I wholey understand that concern. I would hope that we grasp a safe middle ground where risk is ommited because people take responsibility for themselves and others
Legohamster
Ian Walker
the care homes are Still not shielded - they are telling hospitals to still off load people into them and it’s 45 percent of outbreaks.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
FFS, the care home part of this is truly tragic.
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
The thing is, it isn't just numbers of people dying. Whilst COVID is on the rise, life is impacted. Grandparents can't see Grandchildren. Panic buying in stores etc, there's so many facets to the issue of numbers going up affecting other areas of life.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Panic buying is stupid because even during lockdown shops were open. That's just idiotic human nature
For me grandparents not seeing kids is basic safety, the fact elderly are most at danger should determine that straight off. I know it's tough but look at the facts and that for me is the first measure you implement
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...t-commons-workplace-canteen-pubs-b665366.html
Parliament bars exempt from 10pm curfew
The venues are designated ‘workplace canteens’ and not subject to new rules
Parliament’s bars are exempt from the government’s new coronavirus restrictions imposed last week, including the 10pm curfew, stricter rules on face coverings and test and trace data-gathering requirements.
Bars in the House of Commons are not subject to the new rules for hospitality venues as they are designated “workplace canteens”.
Under the new rules, "workplace canteens may remain open where there is no practical alternative for staff at that workplace to obtain food”.
As well as being free to remain open beyond 10pm, the new, stricter rules regarding wearing face coverings and customers checking in at venues will also not apply to parliamentary bars, according to a report in The Times.
A spokesperson for the House of Commons confirmed that the new restrictions on hospitality do not apply to the venues on the parliamentary estate, saying: “As catering outlets providing a workplace service for over 3,100 people working on the Estate, the current regulations on hospitality venues do not apply to Commons facilities.”
They said the Members’ Dining Room, Adjournment, Smoking Room, Terrace Pavilion, Pugin Room and Members’ Tea Room fall under this category, as they provide a food and bar service.
“We continue to follow social distancing and cleaning measures as a Covid-secure workplace in order to reduce the transmission of the disease through social distancing signage, one-way systems, socially distanced seating arrangements, contactless payments, marshalling and additional cleaning.
"Parliament has a dedicated team to support the test-and-trace teams across the UK, acting as a central point of contact in the event of any suspected or confirmed cases, where an individual has been working on the Estate,” they added.
One Conservative MP condemned the decision to make House of Commons bars exempt as “appalling”.
George Freeman, MP for Mid Norfolk, wrote on Twitter: “Parliament’s bars exempt from 10pm curfew? Appalling decision – had no idea. This sort of thing is what brings Parliament into disrepute. Who makes these decisions? The Speaker’s Commission? Will look into it.”
New rules came into force in England on Thursday as the government tries to halt a second coronavirus wave. Measures affecting hospitality venues include customers and staff being required to wear face coverings (except when eating and drinking), businesses being made to display QR codes for test and trace, and the 10pm curfew.
The new rule on early closing times has been widely criticised by MPs, advisers and industry leaders.
Sacha Lord, night-time economy adviser for Greater Manchester, described it as “shambolic”, saying: “It's very clear, across the UK, that this ill-thought-out 10pm curfew, has pushed everyone out of venues with socially distanced measures, into the streets, into off-licences, supermarkets, overcrowded public transport and house parties. Every operator predicted this. Shambolic.”
Additionally, Professor Graham Medley, a leader member of the Sage group, has said scientific advisers “never discussed” the 10pm pubs curfew.
This is just weak leadership, if he believes it's the correct thing to do and has justifiable evidence for it then as the PM he should make the case to his party, parliament and the electorate and implement it.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
That will change soon, winter is almost upon us and the death rate will go up.
Whether due to covid or not those figures rising will spark a panic.
The reporting of this has been an absolute scandal of epic proportion. The muddled misinformation fed to the press and public and the press unwillingness to get to the truth beggars belief.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
That's my worry that death spikes unrelated to Covid are clubbed into the same pool and we get sckewed figures that just raise panic.
I can see a future where flu or similar symptoms are clubbed in and create a panic.
Legohamster
Ian Walker
Weak leadership by a weak leader.
issue is the data they are basing it on isn’t great and can be picked apart