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Coronavirus

Grays_1890 said:
I agree with the idea that false fury is the new norm and although there are some compassionate people in the world the media and the negatives shout loudest.

The CV guidelines are what they are but can have common sense applied. People will pull them apart for the sake of an argument but if Cummings was looking at his children’s welfare and it’s genuine and his parents agreed which rests into personal responsibility then the fury doesn’t in my mind match the crime.

It will only run on and on because as I say the compassionate gain no airtime and the people baying for jobs will. That’s society now, judge and ask for people to lose their jobs, pretty sad example of life.

And before people throw politics up I felt and voices same about the bird up in Scotland.

Sad society these days where people twitch the curtains to grass their neighbours.

It is in fact These reports according to my mate at the Met the least of the polices issues and I fact blocks up a system where real crime is committed
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I have listened to loads of the daily briefings. Not all but I would say a very good majority of them and whilst I’ve heard the “stay home” mantra over and over, I have never heard any mention of “but you can apply common sense instead if necessary” being voiced. And I think the only references I have heard to “safeguarding” (as used in today’s briefing as justification) have been in reference to children being in an at risk situation due to eg domestic abuse.

But, if what Cummings did was within the rules, or was a valid exemption to the rules, then obviously that is OK. However, that rule/exemption shouldn’t come as a surprise to the general public after so many weeks of lockdown. I’d imagine any number of households would have genuinely benefitted from that clarification of the rules had it been more widely known.

In my opinion, Cummings winged it and now that he is being bought to task over it the establishment is closing ranks and at best “stretching” the rules to fit his actions.

I posted earlier that the press should keep on the case and that I wouldn’t be surprised if something else came out to distract from the Cummings story. I have changed my mind. I think the Cummings story IS the distraction. It took up every single question at today’s briefing and I suspect tomorrow will be similar. It’s right that Cummings’ actions should be questioned but not to the exclusion of other topics of questioning, such as the information I heard on the radio news this morning that the government had actually gone against the scientific modelling in their approach to re opening schools, or such as continuing the interrogation on track and trace plans, or testing etc. Instead the Cummings story has distracted from the really important stuff, and I’m certainly guilty of being side tracked by it.
 
scaramanga said:
He's not the government
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I’d say you’re wrong there - hence their desperation to hang on to him.

At one point I thought Johnson was just the front man - but he’s not even that any more, as he now only appears in public once a week to have his arse spanked by Starmer at PMQs.

As for the rest of the cabinet - have you seen them and heard them speak? They’d struggle to get middle management positions at Santander
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I have listened to loads of the daily briefings. Not all but I would say a very good majority of them and whilst I’ve heard the “stay home” mantra over and over, I have never heard any mention of “but you can apply common sense instead if necessary” being voiced. And I think the only references I have heard to “safeguarding” (as used in today’s briefing as justification) have been in reference to children being in an at risk situation due to eg domestic abuse.

But, if what Cummings did was within the rules, or was a valid exemption to the rules, then obviously that is OK. However, that rule/exemption shouldn’t come as a surprise to the general public after so many weeks of lockdown. I’d imagine any number of households would have genuinely benefitted from that clarification of the rules had it been more widely known.

In my opinion, Cummings winged it and now that he is being bought to task over it the establishment is closing ranks and at best “stretching” the rules to fit his actions.

I posted earlier that the press should keep on the case and that I wouldn’t be surprised if something else came out to distract from the Cummings story. I have changed my mind. I think the Cummings story IS the distraction. It took up every single question at today’s briefing and I suspect tomorrow will be similar. It’s right that Cummings’ actions should be questioned but not to the exclusion of other topics of questioning, such as the information I heard on the radio news this morning that the government had actually gone against the scientific modelling in their approach to re opening schools, or such as continuing the interrogation on track and trace plans, or testing etc. Instead the Cummings story has distracted from the really important stuff, and I’m certainly guilty of being side tracked by it.
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Hold on

Are you saying the brains behind the party may have a plan to use himself as distraction...

I mean I’m convinced they follow anything he says as he is clearly the smartest guy in the room, and I’m still not convinced certain people had the virus either (BJ cough cough)

but you could well be on to something
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Hold on

Are you saying the brains behind the party may have a plan to use himself as distraction...

I mean I’m convinced they follow anything he says as he is clearly the smartest guy in the room, and I’m still not convinced certain people had the virus either (BJ cough cough)

but you could well be on to something
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I don’t think he’d voluntarily use himself as a distraction but I think he’d know how to take advantage of the story breaking.
Also, I don’t recall seeing so many cabinet members tweeting support like I’ve seen today, all on message. I bet there’s a lot of gritted teeth behind many of those tweets.
The guy definitely wields some power.
 
Rorschach said:
It's funny how they've all rallied around Cummings. He's just an aide, right? You'd almost swear he's more important than the leader guy, who doesn't work weekends.
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Hitler needed Himmler

Mussolini needed Balbo

And Thatcher needed Tony Blair

Doesn’t surprise me at all that the fascist oligarch is still above the rule of law
 
JerusalemMan said:
But they have it alongside a steaming dollop of sanctimony as well.
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You would be foaming at the mouth if Corbyn did what Cummings did. When it comes to the right, just turn a blind eye. Too funny, your reaction was predicted by me a few pages back. Hypocrisy thy name is Tory. With all due apologies to the Bard.
 
Mikey10 said:
“Mr Cummings had left his home to find a vet as his hamster had contracted Covid and urgently required medication.

Unfortunately none of the vets in his area were open, so Mr Cummings tried Watford, where he again could not find a surgery which was open. He then tried Peterborough, Leicester and Nottingham, but with no success, before eventually finding a vet able to supply him near to Durham.

The death figure really is 36,000, by the way, and remember that we had a protective bubble around care homes from the start. And more PPE than we knew what to do with.

You will be glad to know the hamster is fine.

That concludes Sunday’s briefing.”
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Tory voters would buy this flimflam, they really would. Basically, there is nothing that disqualifies these clams from office in their minds.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
You would be foaming at the mouth if Corbyn did what Cummings did. When it comes to the right, just turn a blind eye. Too funny, your reaction was predicted by me a few pages back. Hypocrisy thy name is Tory. With all due apologies to the Bard.
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If this whole thing were something I gave much of a fudge about then I probably would.

As it is, I find this whole Coronavirus nonsense about as politically important as what colour shoes the latest Made in Essex clam is wearing today.
 
Rorschach said:
It's written for those of us that have empathy. Not all loss can be counted with figures. Thats probably why you don't get it.
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Yet the writer does count the loss with numbers - in the very same sentence he claims they can't be counted.
 
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