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Mikey10 said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/12/governments-handling-covid-19-british-disaster/
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Thing is you could see the mistakes unfolding at the time. The inaction and inappropriate action was startling. As for sending people from hospital with covid back to care homes - to clear wards - is tantamount to an act of mass killing. None of it was intentional, but when you see what Korea achieved - a tiney fraction of the deaths - you can see what was possible. We didn't get close. The government can blame many things - we didn't have SARS, the government got sick, we had a different strategy, scientific advisors etc - but the buck has to stop somewhere.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Thing is you could see the mistakes unfolding at the time. The inaction and inappropriate action was startling. As for sending people from hospital with covid back to care homes - to clear wards - is tantamount to an act of mass killing. None of it was intentional, but when you see what Korea achieved - a tiney fraction of the deaths - you can see what was possible. We didn't get close. The government can blame many things - we didn't have SARS, the government got sick, we had a different strategy, scientific advisors etc - but the buck has to stop somewhere.
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What would be interesting is how Korea dealt with SARS. ie did they get a lot right first time round?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What would be interesting is how Korea dealt with SARS. ie did they get a lot right first time round?
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And a comparison of their ability to act like Big Brother vs ours. Last time I checked the take up on the govt's app was pretty low even somewhere full of 6 toed sheep like the Isle of Wight.
 
What's a Covid cardiologist? Are they the ultimate expert on how to handle an epidemic. We shouldn't have had a lock down at all if we'd done what Korea did (which was our initial policy) and we didn't lockdown hard enough like Greece. It seems like he is looking for Goldilocks.

It seems to me that there have been similar outcomes in the densely populated western European nation or regions (Italy/Lombardy, Spain/Madrid, UK/England, France/Paris, Belgium, Netherlands, etc), as well as New York and surrounding states. The death rates and timecourse are similar and all had issues with care homes. The exception is Germany, which in the west is also part of the dense European blue crescent and would be expected to show similar results. This is usually put down to their healthcare system and government action, but Poland, Austria and the Czech Republic to their east did even better. Until we can explain these differences, it strikes me as far to early to assign blame.
 
jts1882 said:
What's a Covid cardiologist? Are they the ultimate expert on how to handle an epidemic. We shouldn't have had a lock down at all if we'd done what Korea did (which was our initial policy) and we didn't lockdown hard enough like Greece. It seems like he is looking for Goldilocks.

It seems to me that there have been similar outcomes in the densely populated western European nation or regions (Italy/Lombardy, Spain/Madrid, UK/England, France/Paris, Belgium, Netherlands, etc), as well as New York and surrounding states. The death rates and timecourse are similar and all had issues with care homes. The exception is Germany, which in the west is also part of the dense European blue crescent and would be expected to show similar results. This is usually put down to their healthcare system and government action, but Poland, Austria and the Czech Republic to their east did even better. Until we can explain these differences, it strikes me as far to early to assign blame.
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How much lower would the death rate have been if we shielded the frail and care homes and let everyone else crack on?

much much lower.
 
I don't know as I don't know what could have been done. Visitors were stopped, but they could hardly stop staff, nurses and doctors visiting. These were old people who needed constant care and attention that has to involve intimate contact.

The care homes have been a problem everywhere that has had community transmission and high death rates. It's hard to see a particular choice the government made that can be criticised, at least at this point in time. The blanket you should have done something criticism is rather empty without a specific error, especially as other countries have had the same problem.
 
Genetic analysis of thousands of coronavirus patients may explain huge differences in case severity

The entire genetic code of up to 35,000 coronavirus sufferers will be analysed to find out why some people nearly die from the virus while others do not even get symptoms, and whether genetic factors are putting black and minority ethnic (BAME) groups in danger.

Scientists believe variations in genes may be behind the huge differences in how people experience the illness.

Knowing which people are more susceptible could allow for more to either be shielded or released from restrictions, and may even help doctors to tailor drugs to individuals.

It is hoped the Government-backed project will enroll 20,000 patients from 171 NHS intensive care units across Britain whose genomes will be compared to 15,000 people with a mild infection.

DNA samples have so far been collected from almost 2,000 patients. The first results are expected in the autumn, in time to help with a second virus wave if one emerges.

Professor Sir Mark Caulfield, the chief scientist at Genomics England, said: "People exposed to Covid-19 have very different responses. For some, it's severe and life-threatening, and other people have asymptomatic or mild disorder.

"So we want to understand if there is something hidden in the three billion letters of our DNA that gives us the propensity for a severe outcome. By looking for these variants, it may allow us to identify potential therapies in a second or third wave of this infection and even give us new insights into the biology of disease."
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I think this sort of study will be very revealing. It seems very odd that some people get no or hardly any symptoms and others suffer a life-threatening infection. It's not just age as many people Boris's age had mild symptoms and then there is a effect on minorities which seems twice that expected by social and economic differences.
 
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