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thfcsteff said:
I believe that if there is a re-phasing/relaxing if current conditions, it will happen in August and we would see a second lockdown in Oct/Nov where "winters" are about to take root. Of course, the only real parameter would surely have to be systems being able to accommodate the sick. If we could get to a stage where enough ventilators exist to deal with the potential demand, that would likely be the single biggest factor in all this other than a vaccine or anti-body shot.
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Here in Norway they've announced some relaxing of the restrictions towards the end of April. Child care and schools will open and businesses requiring one-on-one interaction such as hair dressers will be allowed to open as long as they implement certain measures (no idea what those are). A ban on large gatherings such as festivals will probably be in place for some time.

With the sun coming out and the weather getting warmer, there's no way people will be isolating themselves much longer. I drive to and from work every day and there's people everywhere, large groups as well. What's the point in having so many off work if they're just going to hang out with friends/family instead?

It seems the goal here is to keep the rate of infection low enough to avoid hospitals getting overwhelmed. Large scale testing to see how many has actually had it is definitely needed. Hopefully the virus will go away for the summer and the people in charge take that time to get everything in place for the next outbreak.
 
Why waste what ever time you have left debating what "experts/academics/analysis" predict for every one they dig up to grab their 15 minutes of fame there's an other with a different view. I haven't a fudging clue how this is going to pan out other than knowing it's going to be a financial nightmare for most of us and many will lose friends and family. Scoring points and trying to blame someone is pointless, unless you want to blame the Chinese but that would get you being accused as a racist or xenophobe.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Why waste what ever time you have left debating what "experts/academics/analysis" predict for every one they dig up to grab their 15 minutes of fame there's an other with a different view. I haven't a fudging clue how this is going to pan out other than knowing it's going to be a financial nightmare for most of us and many will lose friends and family. Scoring points and trying to blame someone is pointless, unless you want to blame the Chinese but that would get you being accused as a racist or xenophobe.
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Word for word true.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Why waste what ever time you have left debating what "experts/academics/analysis" predict for every one they dig up to grab their 15 minutes of fame there's an other with a different view. I haven't a fudging clue how this is going to pan out other than knowing it's going to be a financial nightmare for most of us and many will lose friends and family. Scoring points and trying to blame someone is pointless, unless you want to blame the Chinese but that would get you being accused as a racist or xenophobe.
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A very good question.
 
scaramanga said:
That is precisely what they did, yet he was very alarmist from the start - I think we'll look back at this in the future and realise we needlessly damaged huge parts of the economy.

Yes, I probably can analyse data better than Ferguson, it's a sector I've spent a large chunk of my career working in and I'm very good at it. I'm sure you don't need telling just how much your colleagues struggle with properly analysing data - the medical profession is renowned for it.
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I’m guessing you’re a big fan of Peter Navarro...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1247155265520062464
 
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SteveAWOL said:
I’m guessing you’re a big fan of Peter Navarro...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1247155265520062464
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I've never heard of him.

The problem with people who work with data in a particular field, is that they allow that field speciality to overtake the value of the data. For example; an Epidemiologist who always focuses on the worst possible case because he doesn't choose to think about the economic effects of killing an industry or a country.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Still not sure the is to much blame on the Government. Big lessons to learn for the future, south korea and Japan have had the benefit of going through this before.

Government could have acted a.little quicker but on the whole i blame the scientists.
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Seriously? Did you read the article? Sounds like to me they had countless opportunities to take decisive action, dating back to January but they failed to either take the advice or ask the right questions.

To me this article outlines failing upon failing of the government and their advisor's. Too weak to implement a lockdown until another European country did it first. That's not leadership.

Then there's quotes like this:

"With Brexit done, Johnson had the chance to focus on other matters the following month, among them the emerging virus threat. But leaving the European Union had a consequence.

Between February 13 and March 30, Britain missed a total of eight conference calls or meetings about the coronavirus between EU heads of state or health ministers - meetings that Britain was still entitled to join. Although Britain did later make an arrangement to attend lower-level meetings of officials, it had missed a deadline to participate in a common purchase scheme for ventilators, to which it was invited. Ventilators, vitally important to treating the direst cases of COVID-19, have fallen into short supply globally. Johnson’s spokesman blamed an administrative error." Fail.

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“You would have thought that they would be bashing down the door,” said the executive, who spoke on condition of anonymity. By April 5, Britain had carried out 195,524 tests, in contrast to at least 918,000 completed a week earlier in Germany.

Nor was there an effective effort to expand the supply of ventilators. The Department of Health told Reuters in a statement that the government started talking to manufacturers of ventilators about procuring extra supplies in February. But it was not until March 16, after it was clear supplies could run out, that Johnson launched an appeal to industry to help ramp up production." Fail.

It's failing upon failing. The lack of testing and supplies being an utter cluster fudge.
 
nayenezgani said:
It's failing upon failing. The lack of testing and supplies being an utter cluster fudge.
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Indeed. It’s the inability to see what was coming - despite the warnings of what was happening to other countries - which I really struggle to understand. As you say, there has been a complete lack of leadership.

I’m surprised our press aren’t making more of how Ireland responded, as our near neighbours and the most socially similar country to us. They acted decisively and were shown real leadership. Compare their death rate and rate of hospital admissions (as a percentage of the population) to ours. It doesn’t make for good reading for our government. Or for the UK population.
 
Mikey10 said:
Indeed. It’s the inability to see what was coming - despite the warnings of what was happening to other countries - which I really struggle to understand. As you say, there has been a complete lack of leadership.

I’m surprised our press aren’t making more of how Ireland responded, as our near neighbours and the most socially similar country to us. They acted decisively and were shown real leadership. Compare their death rate and rate of hospital admissions (as a percentage of the population) to ours. It doesn’t make for good reading for our government.
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The Isle of Skye compares favourably to it.
 
nayenezgani said:
Seriously? Did you read the article? Sounds like to me they had countless opportunities to take decisive action, dating back to January but they failed to either take the advice or ask the right questions.

To me this article outlines failing upon failing of the government and their advisor's. Too weak to implement a lockdown until another European country did it first. That's not leadership.

Then there's quotes like this:

"With Brexit done, Johnson had the chance to focus on other matters the following month, among them the emerging virus threat. But leaving the European Union had a consequence.

Between February 13 and March 30, Britain missed a total of eight conference calls or meetings about the coronavirus between EU heads of state or health ministers - meetings that Britain was still entitled to join. Although Britain did later make an arrangement to attend lower-level meetings of officials, it had missed a deadline to participate in a common purchase scheme for ventilators, to which it was invited. Ventilators, vitally important to treating the direst cases of COVID-19, have fallen into short supply globally. Johnson’s spokesman blamed an administrative error." Fail.

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“You would have thought that they would be bashing down the door,” said the executive, who spoke on condition of anonymity. By April 5, Britain had carried out 195,524 tests, in contrast to at least 918,000 completed a week earlier in Germany.

Nor was there an effective effort to expand the supply of ventilators. The Department of Health told Reuters in a statement that the government started talking to manufacturers of ventilators about procuring extra supplies in February. But it was not until March 16, after it was clear supplies could run out, that Johnson launched an appeal to industry to help ramp up production." Fail.

It's failing upon failing. The lack of testing and supplies being an utter cluster fudge.
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Are you able to demonstrate that we would currently have more affordable ventilators from within the EU scheme?
 
scaramanga said:
The Isle of Skye compares favourably to it.
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It does indeed. The two aren’t really comparable though, given that Ireland has a large number of urban conurbations (including Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway) and the Isle of Skye doesn’t.

Unfortunately the Isle of Skye is anything but representative of the whole UK. London, the entire West Midlands, Liverpool, Manchester, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Morecambe, Cumbria and far too many other UK locations are recording high numbers of deaths. Ireland is doing much better. Check the numbers. They are very easily available.
 
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Mikey10 said:
It does indeed. The two aren’t really comparable though, given that Ireland has a large number of urban conurbations (including Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway) and the Isle of Skye doesn’t.

Unfortunately the Isle of Skye is anything but representative of the whole UK. London, the entire West Midlands, Liverpool, Manchester, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Morecambe, Cumbria and far too many other UK locations are recording high numbers of deaths. Ireland is doing much better. Check the numbers. They are very easily available.
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And similarly, you can't compare Ireland to the UK.
 
Hootnow said:
I have to say, I feel slightly guilty. My trust has been excellent so far, generally very supportive and our surge capacity and forward planning has been truly sensational. We've coped very well so far. Our PPE guidelines are different from the rest of the country and they are protecting us very well.

I am hearing from other colleagues in other trusts though that they're being forced to see patients, sometimes without masks because there aren't enough and being told to 'hold their breaths'. And being threatened with severe repercussions if they don't or if they kick up a fuss. Its disgusting.

I of course wish Johnson a speedy recovery and of course as the PM, he should receive premium care. However, it saddens me in a way that he is being treated in St Thomas, a premium institution and in the private wing of that hospital, where I'm sure he'll be receiving care from consultants only. There would be no better time for him to see what most of the country deals with.
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St Thomas is his nearest hospital (to Downing Street).
 
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