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How are you doing with those symptoms now? Asking because mine are some stubborn motherfudgers. Six days and they're still persistent - and incredibly on and off. Was feeling perfectly fine yesterday, thinking I was over it all, but today I swept the front porch and now I'm exhausted and short of breath.

Not feeling particularly worse than I did last Wednesday, which is good, but I was hoping that I was past the worst of it now. More annoyed than worried, so I can't really complain of course.
The on/off thing is definitely a trait of what i had (and a fair few people we know), as i mentioned earlier in the thread that was first week of feb though. So c.ould of been a seasonal thing but did tick a lot of the covid symptoms boxes

The antibody test can't come quick enough.
 
I'm perfectly well educated on Orban thanks. If you want to point to which articles you think to paint him in a poor light unfairly then maybe my mind would expand.

Let me ask you, why does he need all these emergency powers, and do you think he will relinquish them all at some future point?

The powers aren't really that different than anywhere else, they just haven't put cotton wool around them (which I realise being unended etc. is theoretically considered immoral by many parts of the world etc. )

Yes, I think he will relinquish the powers as soon as they are over the crisis (I see no reason why they wouldn't).

A good example of fake news is that almost every article on the BBC has inaccuracies. Looking just now I see a comment how "journalists might be imprisoned just because the government disagree with that they write". Which is completely false.

Anyway, I have a bad cough today so putting the world to rights seems less important haha :) But once you notice negativity in MSM articles you see it's very common for them to exaggerate.
 
The powers aren't really that different than anywhere else, they just haven't put cotton wool around them (which I realise being unended etc. is theoretically considered immoral by many parts of the world etc. )

Yes, I think he will relinquish the powers as soon as they are over the crisis (I see no reason why they wouldn't).

A good example of fake news is that almost every article on the BBC has inaccuracies. Looking just now I see a comment how "journalists might be imprisoned just because the government disagree with that they write". Which is completely false.

Anyway, I have a bad cough today so putting the world to rights seems less important haha :) But once you notice negativity in MSM articles you see it's very common for them to exaggerate.
I think you quite wrong on all this, but I don't have time to rebuff all your points at the moment. I will say that the emergency powers that Orban has granted for himself are far more extensive than his European counterparts and frankly are not proportionate to the situation. Indeed there are some that are entirely irrelevant to combatting the virus outbreak. I'm going to side with the MSM, political commentators and most politicians on this. Pretty much all of them are united in the singular message that this is a de facto coup. Maybe he'll roll it back to his stated goal of illiberal democracy or maybe he won't. I'll come back on Friday with more specifics on my thinking (when I'm on the wine ;) ).

Incidentally, I don't read the BBC (too both sides'y) but if you have a specific article with an inaccuracy then I'll make an exception. Please don't call it fake news. That is trump speak.
 
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I think you quite wrong on all this, but I don't have time to rebuff all your points at the moment. I will say that the emergency powers that Orban has granted for himself are far more extensive than his European counterparts and frankly are not proportionate to the situation. Indeed there are some that are entirely irrelevant to combatting the virus outbreak. I'm going to side with the MSM, political commentators and most policians on this. Pretty much all of them are united in the singular message that this is a de facto coup. I'll come back on Friday with more specifics on my thinking (when I'm on the wine ;) ).

Incidentally, I don't read the BBC (too both sides'y) but if you have a specific article with an inaccuracy then I'll make an exception. Please don't call it fake news. That is trump speak.
What the f.uck are you doing :D:D
 
@Grays_1890 I was going to say 'don't bite, he'll soon get bored.' But we all know that isn't actually true... :D

At least folks appreciate migrant workers some more now. Was quite different a couple of years ago. Not so sure how we will attract people in the future with the increased red tape but that's another question. For now, let's be thankful we have migrants who are willing to work for not a huge amount of money and look after our people.
 
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At least folks appreciate migrant workers some more now. Was quite different a couple of years ago. Not so sure how we will attract people in the future with the increased red tape but that's another question. For now, let's be thankful we have migrants who are willing to work for not a huge amount of money and look after our people.
Sorry not migrant workers is a really general negative term
My issue with the way we were operating with immigration was that cook tried we colonised and exploited to a point had a hard no entry to the UK... people from EU countries that we arguably had less in common were welcome
Odd really
And when you look at the NHS the immigrant population saving us is a real mixed bag of skilled people from the world adding value and the old countries we colonised who couldn’t come here under the EU so easily
 
Yeh thats likely to have happened. Even 10 years ago there would have been alot less done and more lives lost.

Saying that I am going to be hugely intrigued to how Swedens stats compare to similar countries that lock down. They believe the same lives would be lost locking down to not or the difference would be negligible and not have to give up on life.
They have 5 times as many deaths as Norway, but only have twice as high population.
 
Sorry not migrant workers is a really general negative term
My issue with the way we were operating with immigration was that cook tried we colonised and exploited to a point had a hard no entry to the UK... people from EU countries that we arguably had less in common were welcome
Odd really
And when you look at the NHS the immigrant population saving us is a real mixed bag of skilled people from the world adding value and the old countries we colonised who couldn’t come here under the EU so easily

To state the obvious all the non-UK people in the NHS now, came in during the previous setup. Thank fuk they did.

You must know on building sites, the worst jobs are not done by Brits (how's that going to work in the future?).

We celebrate NHS workers, seems logical we celebrate migrants who play a key role, as they have been a targeted group for the last few years. Maybe perceptions are changing.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52095331

A coronavirus app that alerts people if they have recently been in contact with someone testing positive for the virus "could play a critical role" in limiting lockdowns, scientists advising the government have said.

The location-tracking tech would enable a week's worth of manual detective work to be done in an instant, they say.

But the academics say no-one should be forced to enrol - at least initially.

UK health chiefs have confirmed they are exploring the idea.

"NHSX is looking at whether app-based solutions might be helpful in tracking and managing coronavirus, and we have assembled expertise from inside and outside the organisation to do this as rapidly as possible," said the tech-focused division's chief Matthew Gould.

Instant alerts
The study by the team at the University of Oxford's Big Data Institute and Nuffield Department of Population Health was published in the journal Science.

It proposes that an app would record people's GPS location data as they move about their daily lives. This would be supplemented by users scanning QR (quick response) codes posted to public amenities in places where a GPS signal is inadequate, as well as Bluetooth signals.

If a person starts feeling ill, it is suggested they use the app to request a home test. And if it comes back positive for Covid-19, then an instant signal would be sent to everyone they had been in close contact with over recent days.

Those people would be advised to self-isolate for a fortnight, but would not be told who had triggered the warning.

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In addition, the test subject's workplace and their transport providers could be told to carry out a decontamination clean-up.

"The constrictions that we're currently under place [many people] under severe strain," said the paper's co-lead Prof Christophe Fraser.

"Therefore if you have the ability with a bit more information and the use of an app to relax a lockdown, that could provide very substantial and direct benefits.

"Also I think a substantial number of lives can be saved."

To encourage take-up, it is suggested the app also acts as a hub for coronavirus-related health services and serves as a means to request food and medicine deliveries.

The academics note that similar smartphone software has already been deployed in China. It was also voluntary there, but users were allowed to go into public spaces or on public transport only if they had installed it.

One of the ethics specialists involved in the Oxford study said he did not think similar arrangements would be appropriate in the UK, but added that private enterprises might still impose restrictions.

"My favourite restaurant might ask me to show that I was low-risk before allowing me into a crowded place, and I think that would be a perfectly reasonable price to pay for this step towards returning to normal life," Prof Michael Parker told the BBC.

He added that employers might also be justified in requiring staff to use the app if they worked "in an old people's home, with vulnerable groups or [were based] in very crowded places".

And while he said that the general public should not be compelled to use the app to begin with, he did not rule this out if the majority failed to do so.

"The key question is - does it require everyone to do it for it to be effective?" Prof Parker explained.

"It's not essential that everyone does... but perhaps a high proportion of the population needs to.

"This is a really unusual situation where lives are at risk, so there is a case to be made to make at least some actions compulsory - but there would need to be a really clear case for that and careful oversight."

Extended range
The paper adds that the app could be updated to tackle the pandemic more aggressively if required.

For example, it says, the stay-at-home alerts could be expanded to second or even third-degree contacts.

And while the paper advocates the app being used in conjunction with home tests, Prof Fraser said his team was currently exploring whether it would still be effective if it relied on people using a questionnaire or 111 helpline advisers to diagnose the condition.

He acknowledged some people might be wary of using the service, but hoped they would do so to "save a lot of lives".

"We already have tracking apps on our phones for more trivial tasks - the reason we have live traffic information is because we allow the people that provide the mapping service to track us," he said.

"What we're suggesting here is essentially sharing anonymised information [to] put to good use."
 
To state the obvious all the non-UK people in the NHS now, came in during the previous setup. Thank fuk they did.

You must know on building sites, the worst jobs are not done by Brits (how's that going to work in the future?).

We celebrate NHS workers, seems logical we celebrate migrants who play a key role, as they have been a targeted group for the last few years. Maybe perceptions are changing.

now the worst jobs are done by none Brits but their the unskilled jobs that brings and too lazy to do in some cases

But the issue remained that under the EU it was harder and harder for capable people form countries we colonised to be allowed here to work
And I mean India and Pakistan, the Windies and other places that actually provide a HUGE chunk of the NHS
 
now the worst jobs are done by none Brits but their the unskilled jobs that brings and too lazy to do in some cases

But the issue remained that under the EU it was harder and harder for capable people form countries we colonised to be allowed here to work
And I mean India and Pakistan, the Windies and other places that actually provide a HUGE chunk of the NHS

Those unskilled jobs that Brits are too 'lazy' to do (I don't think Brits are lazy btw these are just hard jobs for not much money) can't be done by non-Brits under the new proposed immigration rules. Unless building companies are going to pay 25k and go through all the red tape of applying to bring people over.

If people from the Caribbean and India are a huge chunk of the NHS, it can not have been so hard for ex-colonial peoples to make it over while the UK was in the EU (the UK has always controlled non-EU migration). In recent years more non-EU migrants have entered the UK than EU ones. And when asked British people have a preference for EU migrants over those from further afield (just what polls have shown).
 
At least folks appreciate migrant workers some more now. Was quite different a couple of years ago. Not so sure how we will attract people in the future with the increased red tape but that's another question. For now, let's be thankful we have migrants who are willing to work for not a huge amount of money and look after our people.

That was never the case for me, I was all for essential migration, I have been a part of that myself availing of benefits abroad.

I always praised Migrants working here and do great things, as I do British staff, important to acknowledge we are all people.
 
Those unskilled jobs that Brits are too 'lazy' to do (I don't think Brits are lazy btw these are just hard jobs for not much money) can't be done by non-Brits under the new proposed immigration rules. Unless building companies are going to pay 25k and go through all the red tape of applying to bring people over.

If people from the Caribbean and India are a huge chunk of the NHS, it can not have been so hard for ex-colonial peoples to make it over while the UK was in the EU (the UK has always controlled non-EU migration). In recent years more non-EU migrants have entered the UK than EU ones. And when asked British people have a preference for EU migrants over those from further afield (just what polls have shown).
It’s reverse racism with the non EU vs EU thing
Most people don’t want the brown skinned people being very naive that there the ones who will save their lives
And the minimum wage threshold will give opportunities for others to get back to work in the lower paid unskilled jobs
It’s already been exercised in construction as they see it coming

and it was incredibly hard for them to get here under EU rules which changed a lot over time

we have under the EU a tiered system so a EU National is tier 1 and an Indian for example is tier 2 and needs sponsoring to work here
 
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