Controversial poll

[SpurMeUp]

For me, the HR sacking will go down as a missed opportunity. A dropped chance for Spurs to achieve CL consistently and challenge for the title. We will never know. But what we do know is that we've slipped backwards now.

 

[billyiddo]

The people making the judgement seem to have got it wrong. It's not the first time they have either. Using the opinion of the Spurs board regarding managerial hiring and firing as a defense is about as weak an argument as you can make!

You suggested that Harry had an ego problem and cited that no one could tell him how to do his job as evidence of this. So my Wenger and SAF comparisons are perfectly apt.

both Arsene Wenger and SAF had powerful people working above/alongside them at their respective clubs

 

[Jurgen the German]

Didn't know what thread to write this in, but once again it seems problems have arisen regarding the DoF structure. AVB was asked about it a few weeks and he said something along the lines of "I can't talk about the problems of the club"! Says it all really. Why does it always seem to lead to problems at Spurs?

 

[90291Spur]

Haven't read this thread through yet, but I will say that for the massive dereliction of duty the Beloved 'Arry 'performed' two seasons in a row, I am deighted we canned him. How soon people forget that this guy was ready to walk off happily until he found out he wouldn't get the job, whence he tried to get right back in there and 'demand' a contract. FFS! You cannot trust that! HARRY broke my heart because he COULD'VE been THE MAN. He and HE ONLY elected against that.

One thing about AVB. The guy tried his ****ing heart out and never hitched his skirt for a better option.

I think he also hired Paul Stretford (Rooney's agent) to demand a multi-year contract and at the same time went to his chums in the press saying that his contract needed to be sorted quickly as not sorting it would unsettle the players. This after months of him saying that the speculation over him getting the England job was have NO effect on the players.

 

[africanspurs]

I'm not a million miles away from agreeing with you on your last point, but there's clear contradiction between you saying that Harry didn't need to show us any kind of commitment on the one hand, and the resentment he & his supporters feel towards the club, and DL, on the other.

And yes, I know we could chase that particular point round in circles all night...!

i actually never really felt resentment towards DL , i felt resentment for other reasons which i cant really disclose. Many of which i thought were plucked out of thin air or a complete lack of understanding with regards to football

do i understand why Levy sacked him? Yes
Do i think levy should have sacked him? No

ironically enough i feel the same way about AVB.

 

[Parklaner81]

You suggested that Harry had an ego problem and cited that no one could tell him how to do his job as evidence of this. So my Wenger and SAF comparisons are perfectly apt.

No they aren't. SAF and Wenger earnt the right to their egos at their clubs. Harry hadn't done that. Had he been with us ten years, even 5 or 6, and grown into a Wenger or Fergie role then that would have been very different. But that wasn't the case.

 

[WhoopWhoop]

Levy got rid of redknapp cos he knew he couldn't fob him off again. Harry redknapp aint a Micky mouse manager and wouldn't of accepted modric and vdv being sold which ultimately is what levy wanted.

 

[braineclipse]

Didn't know what thread to write this in, but once again it seems problems have arisen regarding the DoF structure. AVB was asked about it a few weeks and he said something along the lines of "I can't talk about the problems of the club"! Says it all really. Why does it always seem to lead to problems at Spurs?

I see it differently.

With a DoF in place this summer there's a footballing man that was involved in spending £100m+ on new signings this summer who will now also be involved in finding the right manager to make those players function as a team.

 

[billyiddo]

I think he also hired Paul Stretford (Rooney's agent) to demand a multi-year contract and at the same time went to his chums in the press saying that his contract needed to be sorted quickly as not sorting it would unsettle the players. This after months of him saying that the speculation over him getting the England job was have NO effect on the players.

this was reason enough to get rid imho said it at the time and have said it since - total lack of respect for Levy and the Club - prior to this point i very much believe that there may have been a way back for him but he vastly overestimated his position when he came out with this tactic when he'd have been better served rolling up his sleeves saying right Ive a year left to prove my commitment to the cause and getting on with his job.

he put all his eggs in the England basket and when the job offer never came he panicked big time, knowing he'd ****ed himself right up

 

[braineclipse]

Levy got rid of redknapp cos he knew he couldn't fob him off again. Harry redknapp aint a Micky mouse manager and wouldn't of accepted modric and vdv being sold which ultimately is what levy wanted.

Wow...

Selling Modric is what Levy ultimately wanted? I think he had Chelsea fooled on that one at least.

 

[billyiddo]

Levy got rid of redknapp cos he knew he couldn't fob him off again. Harry redknapp aint a Micky mouse manager and wouldn't of accepted modric and vdv being sold which ultimately is what levy wanted.

but Redknapp said in the summer Chelsea pursued Modric that he would sell for the right price (totally against what Levy had said earlier) so how does that fit in with your post above?

 

[SpurMeUp]

both Arsene Wenger and SAF had powerful people working above/alongside them at their respective clubs

Ironically I think Levy and HR were a good pair. Levy wouldn't let HR spend excessively on any old tat (see Portsmouth). As we are lamenting - a great shame HR didn't take Suarez - HR said he'd been advised that he was too similar to what we had, in other words he was under the impression he was a winger. I think Suarez wouldn't have been the cun1 he's turned into, playing under HR (he liked players to have dignity).

HRs biggest weakness was his mouth. His undoing. Made himself look more stupid that he was and laid himself bare to be pulled apart. Those who keep their cards closer to their chest - are often greater cun1s - but you believe what you want to believe about them. HR wore it on his sleeve at all times, and it cost him. Had he kept shtum, said a few insightful words here and there, he'd be lauded as one of the best managers around.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I see it differently.

With a DoF in place this summer there's a footballing man that was involved in spending £100m+ on new signings this summer who will now also be involved in finding the right manager to make those players function as a team.

But are you not worried about the clashes between the manager and DoF in recent years? Santini, Jol and now AVB who actually wanted the damn structure :lol:

Redknapp knew it would lead to problems which is why I assume he asked for it not to be in place when he arrived.

 

[Jordinho]

both Arsene Wenger and SAF had powerful people working above/alongside them at their respective clubs

It's no coincidence that both those clubs were at their best when they had certain people as CEOs or similar. United's transfer activities this summer were a complete shambles. Arsenal haven't been the same since Dein.

Incidently, Bruce Rioch was sacked as Arsenal manager over a disagreement on transfer funds, despite finishing 5th. Dein then went out and appointed his close friend, the unknown Wenger, as manager.

 

[Jordinho]

I see it differently.

With a DoF in place this summer there's a footballing man that was involved in spending £100m+ on new signings this summer who will now also be involved in finding the right manager to make those players function as a team.

I think Baldini's job includes a lot of talking to players and agents, freeing up Levy to focus on other things.

 

[Jurgen the German]

It's no coincidence that both those clubs were at their best when they certain people as CEOs or similar. United's transfer activities this summer were a complete shambles. Arsenal haven't been the same since Dein.

Incidently, Bruce Rioch was sacked as Arsenal manager over a disagreement on transfer funds, despite finishing 5th. Dein then went out and appointed his close friend, the unknown Wenger, as manager.

Arsenal had Dein, United had Martin Edwards. They were responsible for getting deals done but I highly doubt they would have signed players that Wenger or Fergie didn't ok. I have no explanation for AVB not playing Lamela other than he wasn't an AVB signing, that is a worrying thought and I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Jordinho]

But are you not worried about the clashes between the manager and DoF in recent years? Santini, Jol and now AVB who actually wanted the damn structure :lol:

Redknapp knew it would lead to problems which is why I assume he asked for it not to be in place when he arrived.

I think Redknapp just wants to able to sign any player he fancies, but Levy wouldn't let him.

 

[braineclipse]

But are you not worried about the clashes between the manager and DoF in recent years? Santini, Jol and now AVB who actually wanted the damn structure :lol:

Redknapp knew it would lead to problems which is why I assume he asked for it not to be in place when he arrived.

No more than I would be worried about clashes between the manager and the chairman.

I want at least one footballing man to have longer term interests in mind at the club, most of the time that person won't be the manager. As shown by Redknapp at some of his other clubs.

 

[Jordinho]

Arsenal had Dein, United had Martin Edwards. They were responsible for getting deals done but I highly doubt they would have signed players that Wenger or Fergie didn't ok. I have no explanation for AVB not playing Lamela other than he wasn't an AVB signing, that is a worrying thought and I hope I'm wrong.

Of course the coach has to approve of a target. The DoF deals with the scouts and negotiations. He's an administrator.

 

[SpurMeUp]

I think he also hired Paul Stretford (Rooney's agent) to demand a multi-year contract and at the same time went to his chums in the press saying that his contract needed to be sorted quickly as not sorting it would unsettle the players. This after months of him saying that the speculation over him getting the England job was have NO effect on the players.

Think there is a lot of truth in that.

HR was aware of Levy's negotiating skilz. Maybe even intimidated. Levy's reputation proceeds him right. So he went hard his way - Stetford, the media. Levy thought- f uck you. I have options lined up anyway.

Who won in the end? Not HR that is for sure. HR left saying 'why didn't Levy just give me a call' as if to say we could have made this work. In hindsight, Levy will know it was a mistake. Unless we get CL this season, I can not see how anyone could think otherwise.