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Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

Iriola for me … last time we raided a south coast club of their manager we didn’t do too bad … hopefully he keeps it sweet by having Valencia’s in the office rather than lemons
 
Gazza said:
Iriola for me … last time we raided a south coast club of their manager we didn’t do too bad … hopefully he keeps it sweet by having Valencia’s in the office rather than lemons
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You've seen my view in that and today certainly isn't a bad validation
 
metalgear said:
the perfect manager is one who:
- is happy spending within budgets
- able to engage young talent, locally and abroad to convince them to join
- needs to be trusting/willing to use the talent acquired by club and utilises talents with deliberate rotation
- plays attacking football, scores more than average
- plays he ball on the ground mainly , not afraid to hoof it high or win ugly
- preferably with Premier league and Champions League experience
- aspires to win things (but hasn't reached the bug time yet)
- not impatient to be chasing for honours
- shows promise as a younger manager
- I'd say, is a progressive/system manager with at least a little flexibility
- CL isn't important, Europa will suffice, ideally it's more the being in multiple competitions experience
- Don't be a clam, Spurs always needs uniting, being a divisive clam will always end in tears
- Is thick skinned and can deal with the toxic media
- Has a plan A, B and C.....and not afraid to change things within the 90 mins
- Absolutely adores a clean sheet

Aside from NOT BEING A CLAM - Arteta fits the bill :)
Well stranger things have happened before, and we were rewarded by winning the League Cup

Ok unpopular opinion so who else? Iraola and Inzaghi ?
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I’d put “being a clam” as priority number one.
 
Daisuk said:
I am beginning to ask myself who we logically could get in with us being us, and seemingly always finding new ways to brick the bed. Who would be up for the job? Everyone seems to fail at it for various reasons. Nagelsmann would be a dream, for instance, but no chance of that happening with us being in free fall and seemingly not being set up for success. Why would Iraola leave Bournemouth for us?

I don't know. Things are a bit gloomy now, but that's football, things fluctuate. Where are we this time next season? Maybe top of the Premier League or 10th in the Championship. I would say the former is more likely, of course. We'll be back!
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Money talks and we're way up the food chain from Bournemouth, he looks like a really good manager. Only a matter of time till he moves to a bigger club. More likely gettable in the summer too.
 
Said it before but a manager who comes in to a lower Prem team, gets them playing good football and moving in the right direction up the table is a perfect candidate for our job at this point in time - small same size obviously but it's essentially the path trod by Pochettino at Saints - there's always ifs buts and maybes but one of the biggest question marks over a manager is can they do it at this level (PL) and Iriola has shown he can. The other question mark over potential Spurs managers is can they compete against clubs stronger and with more resources? Again so far passing that with flying colours.
 
billyiddo said:
Said it before but a manager who comes in to a lower Prem team, gets them playing good football and moving in the right direction up the table is a perfect candidate for our job at this point in time - small same size obviously but it's essentially the path trod by Pochettino at Saints - there's always ifs buts and maybes but one of the biggest question marks over a manager is can they do it at this level (PL) and Iriola has shown he can. The other question mark over potential Spurs managers is can they compete against clubs stronger and with more resources? Again so far passing that with flying colours.
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Iraola in a nutshell
The way he came in last year and they were lost for 3 months. Once it clicked they were a horrible side to play
They even sacked a popular coach to bring him in just like Southampton did to bring Poch in
 
metalgear said:
i want inzaghi or nagelsman - someone with more experience to help keep and inspire our young ones
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We ended up with Nuno and Ange because we couldn’t get our first (or second, or third…) choices. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not sure we’ll be successful fishing in the kind of pool you suggest. I’m not even convinced that Iriola would come. Frank or Silva possibly would, but I worry that if there is a sacking imminent we’ll get Southgate - seems the kind of non-threatening appointment our board would love. No compensation involved either, which would make Levy’s eyes light up.
 
An interesting name that's on the come up is Jagoba Arrasate, he had an excellent spell at Osasuna where he got them promoted to La Liga and to the Spanish Cup final for the first time in donkeys and subsequently into Europe via a 7th place finish. Really good work from a just promoted side. He's at Mallorca now and has them currently 6th, so Europe looking likely again.

His teams play tend to play in a similar to ourselves, 433 but with less inversion he's fairly adaptable as I'm sure I've seen Osasuna play 5 at the back time. Anyhoo, his teams tend to press high and tend to try and dominate possession but defensively they are dogged and look composed.

I think he's deffo one for the future, it would be a big move to appoint him next but I kind of think he's might well be one of the next great tactical thinking managers based on what I've seen from his teams so far. He's basically always overachieved which is what suits Spurs. We need someone who can draw more that what is on the label out of the players whether that's through the tactical setup, motivation or a combination of the two.
 
Mikey10 said:
We ended up with Nuno and Ange because we couldn’t get our first (or second, or third…) choices. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not sure we’ll be successful fishing in the kind of pool you suggest. I’m not even convinced that Iriola would come. Frank or Silva possibly would, but I worry that if there is a sacking imminent we’ll get Southgate - seems the kind of non-threatening appointment our board would love. No compensation involved either, which would make Levy’s eyes light up.
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If we go early (and results will dictate whether we do or not) then it’ll be one of those 2, they’ll never get a better job offer imo. If we wait until the end of the season (or longer) then Iraola might be a possibility depending on what other options he’ll have. That’s assuming we shop in the premier league. Maybe someone in Europe is lined up, haven’t a clue who.
 
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Raziel said:
Isn't that how you hire anyone? the best you can get at the time?

Re Iriola, I'd expect us to be in and stay in 4th-6th. He's got fudging Bournemouth at 8th after losing Solanke in the summer (19 goals last season). Can he push on? who knows but the club could probably do with a stable run at the moment.

This is part of where Spurs fans need to get over themselves, Nuno took Wolves to 7th, not good enough for us, any idiot could see he was out of his depth, I heard it all, what has he done with Forest? no fudging question the guy could have matched the result of the asshat before/after him with 0% of the toxicity, but hey, not good enough for Spurs. Can you imagine if we appointed Chelsea's manager when they did? fudging hell, meltdown ..

Saying 18 months is the tenure highlights how data can be say anything
- The average for the whole EPL is 2 years
- It ignores that when managers have been successful (Harry & Poch), it's easily more.
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Maybe Nuno was treated harshly (he was unfortunate at a minimum) but absolutely no way he’d have matched Conte’s results. Conte’s football was poor, he acted the clam and it seems the players stopped listening. But his results were pretty good.
 
Mcfee said:
If we go early (and results will dictate whether we do or not) then it’ll be one of those 2, they’ll never get a better job offer imo. If we wait until the end of the season (or longer) then Iraola might be a possibility depending on what other options he’ll have. That’s assuming we shop in the premier league. Maybe someone in Europe is lined up, haven’t a clue who.
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Frank's never leaving Brentford, he's really entwined with the clubs setup
 
glasgowspur said:
But was that who we really wanted?
We were forced into because of conte, I don't think we were really prepared for it, which is really quite damning all things considered.

Totally agree 100% on nuno.
Whenever we appoint a new manager I look at his record, look at what he has to deal with and set my expectations accordingly.
I knew he was never going to get a fair crack of whip here.
We were in a worse state than we were when we appointed ange, he had a mammoth task ahead of him, he had experience of not just PL but the PL with "difficult" owners and he was successful.
But he never got a chance.
Tbh that is the point I've been trying to make all along, want a new manager, fine, but don't think he is going to turn it around quickly, because IMHO it will be a minor miracle if does and a major miracle if they get the time to do it.
Since our last season at the Lane we have been in decline, that’s not going to be turned around in 18-24 months.
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My view is that we shouldn't be in the position we are in where it's a consideration on whether a new man can turn it around. There is no reason for us to be in the situation we are in, rebuild or not. I don't think we need to drop as low as our season turning on results against Everton and Leicester.

So I'm of the opinion that a new manager won't actually have to turn much around. A more controlled playing style will elivate injuries, we'll have a deeper roster to choose from which will impact results alongside a more reserved tactical outlook. If we had been in 15th when Ange took over I'd be more understanding, but in my eyes he's largely the reason why we are where we are.
 
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