Coentrao

[Rorschach]

If we sold Rose to an English club i would.

Rose is happy enough here if he gets first team football and we seem happy enough to have him here.


Real Madrid want to get rid of Coentrao, he probably know this by now, likely he wants to leave them too. It puts them in a poor negotiating position really.

If Coentrao comes I can see Rose kicking up a stink again. He has some previous so maybe we should just cash in on him now.

Benny come home [-o<

 

[braineclipse]

Exactly. Rose would be an expensive purchase.

I don't see the relevance of the international and League football experience. A major factor in the price of a player is whether or not the club want to sell him or not.

The rumours all summer have suggested that they want rid of Coentrao, that puts the buyers in control.

Whilst we are happy with Rose. So people would have to pay over the odds to get him. Added to him being a home grown (club grown) player, which is a valuable asset to have with the current lack of wealth of English talent coming up at the moment.


I'm not stating that Rose is 3/4 the player that Coentrao is or w/e. However i am stating that i would expect that to be the ratio of his value currently.

Whilst there is a correlation between footballer prices and their apparent talent, there are numerous other factors that change it. See VDV. Real didn't want him, so they offloaded him very cheaply. He was worth far more than we paid.

I think you underestimate Coentrao. Good left backs are very difficult to find these days, one of the toughest positions to find top players imo. I think Real would be able to get significantly more than you value him at even though the market is a bit difficult these days. But fair enough, let's just agree to disagree, I get your points about the power of the selling club etc.

If Coentrao comes I can see Rose kicking up a stink again. He has some previous so maybe we should just cash in on him now.

Benny come home [-o<

AVB seemed happy enough with Naughton and Vertonghen as the options behind Ekotto last season. Might be that Naughton, Fryers and then Vertonghen in a jam will be considered enough this season and we could sell both Rose and Ekotto. Just speculating of course.

 

[Spursalot]

I think you underestimate Coentrao. Good left backs are very difficult to find these days, one of the toughest positions to find top players imo. I think Real would be able to get significantly more than you value him at even though the market is a bit difficult these days. But fair enough, let's just agree to disagree, I get your points about the power of the selling club etc.

If he's as good as you think and Real Madrid want to get rid and he wants to leave, why is there not more reported interest?

Who do you think they will get this 'significantly more' from?


I don't, Coentrao is a good player. However if Real have grown bored of him it's not exactly a new thing for them to take massive losses on a player to shift him off their books.

 

[braineclipse]

Mainly because I don't think he's available for the kind of price you're saying he's worth.

I think he would improve City at least of the top clubs in England as well as us of course. I think quite a few clubs around Europe would be willing to spend more than £9-10m for him.

 

[Spursalot]

Mainly because I don't think he's available for the kind of price you're saying he's worth.

I think he would improve City at least of the top clubs in England as well as us of course. I think quite a few clubs around Europe would be willing to spend more than £9-10m for him.

If the rumours about the Bale transfer for cash+Coentrao are to be believed Real value him at £15m, which is probably higher than we value him for negotiating purposes.

That's not far north of 10m.

 

[Rorschach]

AVB seemed happy enough with Naughton and Vertonghen as the options behind Ekotto last season. Might be that Naughton, Fryers and then Vertonghen in a jam will be considered enough this season and we could sell both Rose and Ekotto. Just speculating of course.

I can't really comment on Fryers as I haven't seen enough of him, but I wasn't overly impressed with Naughton or Vertoghen at left back last season. Vertoghen got roasted in a few games that I can recall and Naughton didn't provide the width a LB should, understandably I might add.

These guys would do in a pinch but I think we're all reading the signals from AVB that he is squad building to achieve something special. I'm not sure he would leave a LB shaped hole in the squad by not keeping at least one of Benny or Rose. Probably Rose but he's not going to be happy.

 

[braineclipse]

If the rumours about the Bale transfer for cash+Coentrao are to be believed Real value him at £15m, which is probably higher than we value him for negotiating purposes.

That's not far north of 10m.

What has been reported is that AVB rates Coentrao and has wanted him all along. We're not in a situation where we have to accept a player as part of a deal at their valuation if we don't think is worth that amount, that I'm quite certain of.

 

[braineclipse]

I can't really comment on Fryers as I haven;'t seen enough of him, but I wasn't overly impressed with Naughton or Vertoghen at left back last season. Vertoghen got roasted in a few games that I can recall and Naughton didn't provide the width a LB should, understandably I might add.

These guys would do in a pinch but I think we're all reading the signals from AVB that he is squad building to achieve something special. I'm not sure he would leave a LB shaped hole in the squad by not keeping at least one of Benny or Rose. Probably Rose but he's not going to be happy.

I was talking about backup options to a new first choice left back if that didn't come across...

I agree with your observations.

 

[Rorschach]

I was talking about backup options to a new first choice left back if that didn't come across...

I agree with your observations.

Actually so was I

I'm sort of assuming we can tie up Coentrao as the numero uno. I rate him very highly. My hope also is that we have at least one specialist LB as cover. That could be Fryers but my personal favourite is still Benny. There is something about Rose that doesn't quite work IMO but I can't put my finger on it.

 

[braineclipse]

Actually so was I

I'm sort of assuming we can tie up Coentrao as the numero uno. I rate him very highly. My hope also is that we have at least one specialist LB as cover. That could be Fryers but my personal favourite is still Benny. There is something about Rose that doesn't quite work IMO but I can't put my finger on it.

As much as I like him I just can't see us keeping Benny if we sign Coentrao. His value would plummet sitting on the bench at this age, he probably wouldn't be happy about being second choice and an unhappy Benny with marginal match fitness isn't going to be a great backup player I think.

If we can keep Rose happy, for example by giving him starts in all the EL group matches and early cup games, I think he's the perfect backup player really.

If we can't keep Rose happy with that I think the backups we had last season with Fryers being another year along in his development will be fine.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

£15m for Contrao is a fair price IMO and Rose would be upwards of £6M IMO

Both are negotiable dependant in the deals done but there would be quite a few clubs willing to buy Rose but not a huge amount that need or could afford Contrao. He would be perfect for us and again would improve on what we have significantly enough to ouch us in. Rose won't improve us unfortunately and I can see us selling both him and Benny

 

[Baleforce]

Coentrao is an exciting player, a real threat down the left flank, i'm not sure he's a great defender though

 

[Rorschach]

As much as I like him I just can't see us keeping Benny if we sign Coentrao. His value would plummet sitting on the bench at this age, he probably wouldn't be happy about being second choice and an unhappy Benny with marginal match fitness isn't going to be a great backup player I think.

If we can keep Rose happy, for example by giving him starts in all the EL group matches and early cup games, I think he's the perfect backup player really.

If we can't keep Rose happy with that I think the backups we had last season with Fryers being another year along in his development will be fine.

Given previous outbursts I think Rose almost certainly won't be happy to be backup any more, and he'll probably want out. He is not shy about talking to the media and it is a character trait I don't particularly like about him.

Benny is the romantic choice but is all but gone though. I believe something has happened between Benny and the club/AVB. Freezing out a player like that has echoes of AVB and Chelsea, but I suspect there is more to it than just him being transfer listed. Who knows though.

I guess we better sign Coentrao pronto.

 

[Baleforce]

Benny regressed a lot last year, I can kinda understand Rose's reticence to playing second fiddle there, if he thinks he should start ahead of Coentrao though he is an idiot.

 

[DublinSpur]

Coentrao is an exciting player, a real threat down the left flank, i'm not sure he's a great defender though

In fairness I think his defensive weakness is a bit overstated. The few times I've seen him play (maybe a half dozen times that I can recall) he's not been all that terrible in defence. What is noticeable though, is that he was clearly been asked to play very high up the pitch (I can't imagine he consistently ignored instructions in that regard, so assume it was how he was told to play) which means he did get caught out of position occasionally. But seriously, if the manager is asking him to play essentially as a left-winger then I don't believe you can fault him for being "out of position". 9 times out of 10 he was in exactly the position he was supposed to be.

So assuming AVB asks him to be a bit more restrained, then I don't see why that side of his game won't improve, because when he is in position, he's as good as anyone at sticking to his man, closing down and not getting turned. He works hard and as much as I like Assou-Ekotto, Coentrao would be a genuine upgrade. I'm more excited about this guy than any other of our summer signings simply because - to be honest - I didn't know enough about any of the others to know whether they'll live up the hype or not. But Coentrao I've seen enough to know that he is actually a class act.

We all know YouTube vids are worse than rose-tinted specs, and this one has probably already been posted, but it's actually not far off being a fair representation of the player as I remember him (for most of the video you'd think it was a compilation for an attacking winger)

[video=youtube;StB99wcz7L4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StB99wcz7L4[/video]

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Maybe no other clubs are interested and the fee could be low because Mardid are actually doing us a small favour with our business "partnership". If they tinkle us off with Coentrao and let him consider others it weakens their Bale position.

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Both sides have to keep each other sweet to some extent.

 

[Papercut]

Coentrao is an exciting player, a real threat down the left flank, i'm not sure he's a great defender though

I'm guessing that's where the likes of Sandro, Capoue, Dembele, etc come into the equation.

 

[onlyme]

Are you saying that you are guessing that's where the likes of Sandro, Capoue, Dembele, etc come into the equation?

 

[Baleforce]

ok i heard you the first time