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Christian Benteke

braineclipse said:
Both Barca and Spain regularly face teams that sit back and defend deep with 10 men behind the ball, he's done well for both.
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Lionel Messi plays a tiny part in helping Barca deal with that, plus of course the style of play Barca and Spain operate. Spurs dont play like Barca and Spain, and we dont have a Messi
 
indianspur said:
Lionel Messi plays a tiny part in helping Barca deal with that, plus of course the style of play Barca and Spain operate. Spurs dont play like Barca and Spain, and we dont have a Messi
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My point was one of him being good at finding space, freeing himself with great movement, being a clinical finisher, good on the ball to participate in quick passing play etc. I'm aware that there are differences between our style of play and Barca/Spain and I'm also aware that we don't have Messi you might not be surprised to hear. But this isn't really the time or place for a long winded hypothetical discussion about a player that we won't sign.
 
braineclipse said:
My point was one of him being good at finding space, freeing himself with great movement, being a clinical finisher, good on the ball to participate in quick passing play etc. I'm aware that there are differences between our style of play and Barca/Spain and I'm also aware that we don't have Messi you might not be surprised to hear. But this isn't really the time or place for a long winded hypothetical discussion about a player that we won't sign.
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i know, but i was just wondering whether Scara thought that David Villa would have made a difference to his belief that with Benteke we will struggle to break down 10 men behind the ball teams
 
tommysvr said:
At what point does a player become 'proven'?
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exactly

the boy is a beast, I´ve seen him in several internationals, does not fail to impress. Two 19 goals season in a row in 2 different leagues. He has height, pace and power. He is a wet dream basically for our club. I can´t beleive there are people that honestly think that he will not succeed at Tottenham.
 
braineclipse said:
I agree with Rossi that if this happens it won't be on a whim or just because the opportunity presented itself.

Having knowledge about football doesn't mean that all signings must be players that we as fans don't know about from exotic leagues. Having that knowledge is also about knowing when to go for the expensive player from the Premier League.



You talk about not facing proper defending, but top teams in smaller leagues dominate matches against fairly poor defenders on a very regular basis.
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That's true, but PL strikers often play against some fairly awful defending too. I'm not talking about proper defending, I'm talking more about the style.

Most teams can make a match fairly even if all they want is a 0-0 draw - I want a player who can get around that.

braineclipse said:
Benteke is not your typical counter attacking striker from what I've seen. The striker you describe that does well for a smaller team playing almost exclusively on the break is essentially Darren Bent, a comparison that has been made before.

What about Benteke makes you think that he fits into a team playing exclusively on the counter much better than he would fit into our team?
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Mostly the fact that he's shown himself to be a good forward in an exclusively counter attacking team last season. I haven't yet seen him play for a team where 90% of their opponents will happily take a 0-0 draw.

That's not to say he can't fit in our team, just that he hasn't shown he can - that makes the risk far higher and therefore (in a realistic, non Chelsea world) his transfer value much lower.

braineclipse said:
Both Barca and Spain regularly face teams that sit back and defend deep with 10 men behind the ball, he's done well for both.
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This. If Benteke had successfully done that last season (obviously not for Barca) then he'd be worth £25M IMO - until he does he's still a massive gamble.
 
tommysvr said:
At what point does a player become 'proven'?
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Depends on how one wants the player to be proven.

Benteke is proven at scoring PL goals for a counter attacking team who get huge amounts of space in behind. If he were to come to Spurs and score as many next season then he'd be proven at scoring against teams that park the bus.
 
scaramanga said:
Depends on how one wants the player to be proven.

Benteke is proven at scoring PL goals for a counter attacking team who get huge amounts of space in behind. If he were to come to Spurs and score as many next season then he'd be proven at scoring against teams that park the bus.
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Jesus, we're going to be flat out finding a striker if that's our criteria!

He scored 19 goals in the Premier League, we need a striker who can lead the line. It's expensive and there's no guarantee he'll score 19 goals next season (see Adebayor), but right now, I don't see many viable alternatives, or less risky moves.
 
the interesting thing with Benteke is that he, and his Villa team, really started to improve once Agbonlahor got fit and Lambert played with a front 3 of Benteke, Agbonlahor and Weimann. All 3 very direct, pacy, but not much invention. In a way it seems this is how AVB wants us to line up, with 3 direct and quick attackers and no playmaker in sight. So will what Scara is saying actually be a problem, in the fact that A Villa didnt have to deal with teams that had 10 men behind the ball like we regularly have to, especially at home? Will AVB have to adapt our style and tactics where we almost willingly allow the opposition to have the ball in our half, invite them onto us, and then somehow win the ball back and launch super fast attacks to get behind them and create chances/score goals?
 
tommysvr said:
Jesus, we're going to be flat out finding a striker if that's our criteria!

He scored 19 goals in the Premier League, we need a striker who can lead the line. It's expensive and there's no guarantee he'll score 19 goals next season (see Adebayor), but right now, I don't see many viable alternatives, or less risky moves.
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Neither do I, but fortunately we have a team of scouts who spend much more of their time than we do looking for alternatives.

I sincerely hope Levy's transfer policy isn't based on panic-buying when you and I run out of alternatives.
 
I would guess most of this debate is driven by the price it appears we will have to cough up for Benteke?

The price does feel a bit toppy but we have sniffed around for a new frontman for many windows. Forwards natrually are the ones that carry a premium. They bang the goals in that win you games. It is a risk.

If it was £15-16 million would the people currently questioning the deal/player be in favour?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I would guess most of this debate is driven by the price it appears we will have to cough up for Benteke?

The price does feel a bit toppy but we have sniffed around for a new frontman for many windows. Forwards natrually are the ones that carry a premium. They bang the goals in that win you games. It is a risk.

If it was £15-16 million would the people currently questioning the deal/player be in favour?
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I'd call that amount the very top we should go to considering the level of uncertainty, but yes - I'd be happy at that price.
 
scaramanga said:
Depends on how one wants the player to be proven.

Benteke is proven at scoring PL goals for a counter attacking team who get huge amounts of space in behind. If he were to come to Spurs and score as many next season then he'd be proven at scoring against teams that park the bus.
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You're unnecessarily over thinking things imo. He's scored goals as well as possessing good approach play so to analyse what style of play the opposition used against his team isn't necessary and tbh i think it's just a way to discredit what he's achieved.
 
Kingdawson said:
You're unnecessarily over thinking things imo. He's scored goals as well as possessing good approach play so to analyse what style of play the opposition used against his team isn't necessary and tbh i think it's just a way to discredit what he's achieved.
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I don't believe I'm discrediting what he's achieved at all, merely categorising it as "Not having scored against a team parking the bus".

Until he's done that regularly he will always be a big risk. City and Chelsea are wary of £25M big risks - we should be even more so.
 
scaramanga said:
I'd call that amount the very top we should go to considering the level of uncertainty, but yes - I'd be happy at that price.
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In essence you are saying you do not what Benteke as there is zero chance of him being sold for that figure. I presume that being the case that you would want management to move on to another striker?

Personally I want Benteke at Spurs, but if management are not ready to go high enough to secure the deal I can live with that. I just hope that if that is the case our managementshould move on to someone else instead of wasting time on Benteke
 
He's more proven than Damiao, and most on here have spent the last four windows desperate for us to sign him.
Benteke has proved that he can score goals, against a number of different types of teams, in a number of different ways, in the Prem.
I'd sign him tomorrow.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
In essence you are saying you do not what Benteke as there is zero chance of him being sold for that figure. I presume that being the case that you would want management to move on to another striker?

Personally I want Benteke at Spurs, but if management are not ready to go high enough to secure the deal I can live with that. I just hope that if that is the case our managementshould move on to someone else instead of wasting time on Benteke
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No, I'm saying I do want Benteke - just at a price that means if the (very possible) worst happens it won't affect funds for too many other windows.
 
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