cars

[scaramanga]

Polestar, iPace, Tesla. Probably others too that will do 200 miles real world.


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I don't know anything about the Polestar, but there's no way Tesla or Jaguar get 200+ in real world driving the way real people drive.

Autocar managed in the 140s from an I-Pace when they did a driving style comparison and that's generally regarded to be better on range than all of the Teslas. That was in fairly average weather too - cold or hot weather would drop that further.

 

[scaramanga]

A Norwegian magazine just did a range test of 29 electric cars at the same time, and all of them actually drove further than specified my the manufacturer. Test was done on a mix of City driving in Oslo, motorway and highway, including climbing two mountain passes. Conditions where good with temperatures between 15 and 20. None of the cars where pre-heated before starting.
Number to the left is range specified by manufacturer, and to the right actual range in the test.
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What speed did they drive? Heating/Cooling on in the cabin? Etc, etc.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

I don't know anything about the Polestar, but there's no way Tesla or Jaguar get 200+ in real world driving the way real people drive.

Autocar managed in the 140s from an I-Pace when they did a driving style comparison and that's generally regarded to be better on range than all of the Teslas. That was in fairly average weather too - cold or hot weather would drop that further.

Not sure about that. Certainly not the Model 3 LR. Anyway, range comparisons with Tesla never quite make sense because their infrastructure is so much better - even if the massive DC power ends up frying their batteries early.

 

[SpurMeUp]

I don't know anything about the Polestar, but there's no way Tesla or Jaguar get 200+ in real world driving the way real people drive.

Autocar managed in the 140s from an I-Pace when they did a driving style comparison and that's generally regarded to be better on range than all of the Teslas. That was in fairly average weather too - cold or hot weather would drop that further.

Same mag saying 200+ for iPace

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/best-cars/electric-cars-best-real-world-range

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/charge-driving-jaguar-i-pace-london-frankfurt#:~:text=Ionity's chargers are placed around,far to push the stops.

Are you going to get one?

 

[SpurMeUp]

@scaramanga 12 miles to work you say...

 

[Diamond Lights]

Musk will probably charge you now for KITT-style conversations and neural interfaces into the controls, on the basis that it’s coming some day as an OTA update.

But currently, no, neither feature is available on the Model Y.

You really are agonising over this purchase, though. Are you asking the right place? Have you been starting Sissoko threads on Pistonheads?

You're not wrong, maybe i'm over concerned that i'll get nothing back in 5-7 years time. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect loads, but should hopefully still get something back later in life in terms of value towards another car?

 

[SpurMeUp]

You're not wrong, maybe i'm over concerned that i'll get nothing back in 5-7 years time. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect loads, but should hopefully still get something back later in life in terms of value towards another car?

Don't buy a new car then!

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

You're not wrong, maybe i'm over concerned that i'll get nothing back in 5-7 years time. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect loads, but should hopefully still get something back later in life in terms of value towards another car?

Quite possibly not. I was pretty comfortable making an assumption that I'll keep the I-PACE for ten years. I'm quite happy without flash kit - I've only just upgraded from an iPhone 6 and I kept a 53-plate 316 until 2017 - so I won't mind if the car looks a bit antediluvian in 2030.

And I was spending company money rather than private money; the tax advantages outweighed any comparative depreciation concerns - whether it's a matter of current leccy cars being superseded, or ICE being regulated out of existence.

 

[scaramanga]

Same mag saying 200+ for iPace

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/best-cars/electric-cars-best-real-world-range

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/charge-driving-jaguar-i-pace-london-frankfurt#:~:text=Ionity's chargers are placed around,far to push the stops.

Are you going to get one?

70-80mph - that means you're stuck in the fudgewit lane surrounded by all the specials who can't drive.

Look for the test they did when they compared conservative driving like that against normal person driving - it was in the 140s.

No, EVs are an interesting idea but until they can keep the weight down (in both senses of the word), put the power through a RWD and get me at least to London and back without nearing the end of their range they're just not ready for me.

 

[scaramanga]

@scaramanga 12 miles to work you say...

Only Citroen could conceive of something so hideous.

 

[Kandi1977]

What speed did they drive? Heating/Cooling on in the cabin? Etc, etc.

50-60 kph in the city, some 110-120 kph motorway and mostly 80-90 kph on the highway. they drove with AC on, set at 21 degrees, followed the traffic and avoided unnecessary overtaking. They did not drive overly defensive to extend range.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Not a bad looking thing. With a claimed range of 300 miles, it should be similar to the iPace with north of 200 miles.

In reality, you are not going to drive 200 miles at 100mph @scaramanga The traffic in the UK wouldn't allow it anyway. You'd normally stop for a break, so add a 20 min charge and 200 miles with new batteries is easily attainable. Not that most journeys are anywhere near that distance.

If you can charge at home, the government subsidy, the low fuel bills, the new tech, the acceleration, less pollution, kids bragging rights...I'd have one of these ^ over an X5 in a heartbeat.

 

[scaramanga]

50-60 kph in the city, some 110-120 kph motorway and mostly 80-90 kph on the highway. they drove with AC on, set at 21 degrees, followed the traffic and avoided unnecessary overtaking. They did not drive overly defensive to extend range.

Sounds pretty defensive to me. That's not how people really drive - except those old ones who can't see over the steering wheel maybe.

All overtaking is necessary. Unless the car in front is driving faster, overtaking is required.

 

[scaramanga]

Not a bad looking thing. With a claimed range of 300 miles, it should be similar to the iPace with north of 200 miles.

In reality, you are not going to drive 200 miles at 100mph @scaramanga The traffic in the UK wouldn't allow it anyway. You'd normally stop for a break, so add a 20 min charge and 200 miles with new batteries is easily attainable. Not that most journeys are anywhere near that distance.

If you can charge at home, the government subsidy, the low fuel bills, the new tech, the acceleration, less pollution, kids bragging rights...I'd have one of these ^ over an X5 in a heartbeat.

I drive most of the way to and from London at 99mph (GPS, so about 110 on the clock), I just don't make those journeys during rush hour.

Looks a bit Mondeo/Vectra for my liking.

Tell me you'd genuinely have one over this:

 

[SpurMeUp]

I wouldn't have either. I don't have anywhere to charge at home. But if I did, the Polestar is a reasonable option and not crazy money. The Polestar 1 is more desirable with a ICE, batteries and adjustable suspension.

But...I would have a 997 911 and an Alfa Quadrofolio for half the price! With the leftover money, I'd get something like a Citroen DS and convert it to electric.

 

[NoLimits01]

I drive most of the way to and from London at 99mph (GPS, so about 110 on the clock), I just don't make those journeys during rush hour.

Looks a bit Mondeo/Vectra for my liking.

Tell me you'd genuinely have one over this:

There is a about a £120k difference in price between a Polestar 2 and one of those

But I might just take the Polestar 1 over that

 

[NoLimits01]

Depending on what happens in the budget (oh GHod don't let this turn into a politics thread now) the BIK for an electric car is still at 0%

So on a £50k EV you can claim back £3.5k for it being electric and if you but it through a business you get the £8k VAT back and write the rest off over 2 - 3 years, makes it very tax efficient

 

[scaramanga]

There is a about a £120k difference in price between a Polestar 2 and one of those

But I might just take the Polestar 1 over that

But a serviced, 2nd hand Rapide is about the same price and it's range isn't at all diminished by being a few years old.

 

[scaramanga]

Depending on what happens in the budget (oh GHod don't let this turn into a politics thread now) the BIK for an electric car is still at 0%

So on a £50k EV you can claim back £3.5k for it being electric and if you but it through a business you get the £8k VAT back and write the rest off over 2 - 3 years, makes it very tax efficient

For about 3 years, yes. Once everyone's in EVs what do you think wil happen to the BIK rates?

They'll do what they did with diesel all over again.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

Depending on what happens in the budget (oh GHod don't let this turn into a politics thread now) the BIK for an electric car is still at 0%

So on a £50k EV you can claim back £3.5k for it being electric and if you but it through a business you get the £8k VAT back and write the rest off over 2 - 3 years, makes it very tax efficient

No, you lose the VAT, unless you lease, in which case you can reclaim 50%. However, you can claim the corporation tax 100% in-year for an EV, and the VAT element is obviously reclaimable against CT.

BIK is 0% this year, 1% next, 2% after. There's a fair hope that the 0% or the 1% rate might extend to try and get fleet managers to commit to leccy.