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Carlyle takeover, was Cain Hoy takeover

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Gutter Boy said:
But they've lost. Badly. And twice. They are going to have to pay Haringey's legal costs. All they are doing is hoping the few months delay might give them a final little chip to try and salvage something from a disasterous situation.




They can't contest the CPO - they've already done that and it failed.

They are now contesting the CPO review process.
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I was replying to your post saying those who have sold their houses to the government via CPO for HS2 would be after more if Archway get a better settlement
 
Re: Cain Hoy takeover

Gutter Boy said:
A £400m regeneration scheme in the 2nd poorest area of London is about as big as you get after HS2 (which is a once in a generation scale project).

If we go screw you and switch to a greenfield site in the Lee Valley, it would be absolutely devastating for N17.
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That's a good point. Why haven't we moved to Lea Valley? I think that would be a perfect site
 
Re: Cain Hoy takeover

LutonSpurs said:
Someone on SC posted this link which re-directs to Cain Hoy sote - http://test.guggenheimlife.com/

Does it mean it is defo part of guggenheim?
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In response to that, it's probably worth posting Cain Hoy's launch press release:

Greenwich, CT, September 11, 2014 – Cain Hoy Enterprises, LLC (“Cain Hoy”) today formally
announced the launch of its operations. Cain Hoy, headquartered in Greenwich, CT, is financed
with permanent capital and will acquire a diversified portfolio of operating businesses and
financial assets across industries and capital structures with major areas of focus in global real
estate and consumer interests such as entertainment, media and retail.

Cain Hoy was launched with the support of—and a minority investment from—Guggenheim
Capital, the parent company of Guggenheim Partners, the global investment and securities firm.
Founders include Todd Boehly, who is President of Guggenheim Capital, Henry Silverman and
Jonathan Goldstein. Messrs. Silverman and Goldstein previously were executives at
Guggenheim.

Henry Silverman is Chief Executive Officer of Cain Hoy. Mr. Silverman has a long and
distinguished career in finance and real estate. He was Chairman of the Board and Chief
Executive Officer of Cendant Corporation and, later, Chief Operating Officer and Vice Chairman
of Apollo Global Management. Jonathan Goldstein is Head of European Investments for Cain
Hoy and is based in London. Mr. Goldstein is an experienced real estate investor and was
Deputy Chief Executive of Heron International, where he made and supervised substantial real
estate investments in the United Kingdom and Europe.

Cain Hoy also is staffed by a small number of people who left Guggenheim to join it, all of whom
previously worked on global real estate and opportunistic private transactions.

“We are excited to announce the launch of Cain Hoy Enterprises,” said Mr. Silverman. “At Cain
Hoy, we bring dedicated funding and financial expertise to the goal of creating value over the
long term.”

Mr. Goldstein added, “Cain Hoy is permanently financed and we are patient investors. This
gives us greater flexibility to pursue significant opportunities that need to mature and to develop
over time.”
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So if Guggenheim isn't exactly Cain Hoy's parent company, it's as good as.

It's also interesting, by the way, that they are keen to stress that they are "patient" investors and will take a long term approach to each of their investments.
 
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jimmyb said:
In response to that, it's probably worth posting Cain Hoy's launch press release:



So if Guggenheim isn't exactly Cain Hoy's parent company, it's as good as.

It's also interesting, by the way, that they are keen to stress that they are "patient" investors and will take a long term approach to each of their investments.
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It's pretty strong indicator that the potential takeover is backed by a family worth over a 100 billion. That's frightening cash. Not that I have any idea if they will spend it on us if the sale goes through.
 
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jimmyb said:
In response to that, it's probably worth posting Cain Hoy's launch press release:



So if Guggenheim isn't exactly Cain Hoy's parent company, it's as good as.

It's also interesting, by the way, that they are keen to stress that they are "patient" investors and will take a long term approach to each of their investments.
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This is a subtle give away as well that Guggenheim and Cain hoy can be used interchangeably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain_Hoy_Stable
 
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camspur said:
This is a subtle give away as well that Guggenheim and Cain hoy can be used interchangeably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain_Hoy_Stable
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So, when people leave a company on good terms to start up one of their own, and their old company sees them as worthwhile to make a minority investment in, that makes the second company a subsidiary of the first? Business Law has changed a lot since I studied it then.
 
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I'm bored of this now. I hope they just get on and announce their intention not to proceed.

I wonder if it's negatively affecting the team/management, knowing there's the threat of potentially massive overhauls hanging over the club.
 
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LesMedley said:
So, when people leave a company on good terms to start up one of their own, and their old company sees them as worthwhile to make a minority investment in, that makes the second company a subsidiary of the first? Business Law has changed a lot since I studied it then.
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The way that a company like Guggenheim Partners operates, such an outcome wouldn't be so unusual.

The fact that Todd Boehly, President of Guggenheim, is one of the three principals to have started up Cain Hoy is the most telling sign that, even though Cain Hoy isn't officially under the Guggenheim umbrella, it is effectively operating as such.
 
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Gutter Boy said:
I'm bored of this now. I hope they just get on and announce their intention not to proceed.

I wonder if it's negatively affecting the team/management, knowing there's the threat of potentially massive overhauls hanging over the club.
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I doubt that it's affecting the team at all.

Possible, though, that Poch might be keeping a close eye on proceedings. After all, it was a change at the top at Southampton which first unsettled him there.
 
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jimmyb said:
I doubt that it's affecting the team at all.

Possible, though, that Poch might be keeping a close eye on proceedings. After all, it was a change at the top at Southampton which first unsettled him there.
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Yeah - very much so.

But you'd also imagine any new owner would want to make their mark. Bring in a higher profile manager who is more marketable in the US - Klinsmann obviously stands out.

ENIC obviously did that with Hoddle, but I think this time it would be very sad to go from an organic growth manager like Poch, to a spend big and massager of egos one

There would also be a massive player turnover too - and lots of babies with the bathwater as they look for marketable 'names'.
 
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Re: Cain Hoy takeover

Gutter Boy said:
I'm bored of this now. I hope they just get on and announce their intention not to proceed.

I wonder if it's negatively affecting the team/management, knowing there's the threat of potentially massive overhauls hanging over the club.
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you mean like waiting 7 years for the stadium
 
Re: Cain Hoy takeover

Gutter Boy said:
Yeah - very much so.

But you'd also imagine any new owner would want to make their mark. Bring in a higher profile manager who is more marketable in the US - Klinsmann obviously stands out.

ENIC obviously did that with Hoddle, but I think this time it would be very sad to go from an organic growth manager like Poch, to a spend big and massager of egos one

There would also be a massive player turnover too - and lots of babies with the bathwater as they look for marketable 'names'.
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That's a bit of an assumption too though. Glazers didn't do that with Man U, despite fan protestations, infact I believe Fergie said he had a good working relationship with them.

Liverpool's owners didn't do that either.
 
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NWND said:
That's a bit of an assumption too though. Glazers didn't do that with Man U, despite fan protestations, infact I believe Fergie said he had a good working relationship with them.

Liverpool's owners didn't do that either.
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Didn't Hicks and Gillett get rid of Benitez and later appoint Dalglish?

Especially the Dalglish thing is exactly the kind of stupid thing I have in mind - PR over understanding of the game. Sacking Poch for Klinsmann would be exactly that kind of thing.

Ferguson was a bit different, as unlike Poch, he had 'box office'.
 
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Under ENIC we have won one trophy in 14 years, the League Cup. For a club of our stature and pedigree it's not enough. I'd prefer the sort of owners Chelsea and City have, but a group like Cain Hoy will probably do better than ENIC, it's not a steep barrier to cross, let's face it. Overall, ENIC have done quite well, but I can easily imagine new owners doing better.
 
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what makes you think they'd do better?

to improve on what we have we'd need to regularly qualify for the CL, imv. considering the difference in turnover between ourselves and those above Im unsure as to how anyone could be confident new owners would improve us in the respect.
 
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