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Buying a property - what would you do?

Hotshot-Tottenham

Michael Carrick
Hi chaps and chapesses,

So, after a long road my divorce will be finalized in May this year and I’ll be moving out of the marital home with a lump sum from the settlement that I can use as a deposit on a new place.

I’ve seen a few and there are two on my shortlist, both 2-bed flats:

1. Asking price has been reduced by £10k recently, older building but with a good EPC energy rating, off street parking, nice high ceilings, feels spacious, bay windows, some nice touches like tasteful paneling on the main bedroom wall. Kitchen is small-ish but totally fine. On the first floor of 3. No direct outside space but access to a nice shared garden.

Combi-boiler. Overall in good condition, some minor decorative bits to do, eg chipped kitchen cupboard door, chipped bathroom unit door. Walk-in wardrobe off the main bedroom, could be converted to an en-suite.

It’s set back from the road a bit, nothing really walkable in the area. Plenty of trees on the plot so some greenery around.

Or,

2. Asking price also reduced by £10k and been on the market since last summer (why??), but £20k cheaper than option 1.

Roughly option 2 would be £2-3k cheaper per year to run (lower council tax, service charge, lower mortgage).

Kitchen-diner rather than separate, smaller by 144 square feet than option 1. Electric heating, not gas. Newer build, not particularly pretty from the outside but has parking and garage.

On the top floor of a four-storey block, and has a lovely square balcony / terrace (12 sq metres) that overlooks the harbour and the hills beyond with trees this side - would be LOVELY on summer evenings.

Bathroom is fine but I would want to replace it. Second bedroom is a bit boxy - would be my home office.

It’s on a no-through road with lots of greenery, and is close to a really nice area with local shops, restaurants and bars, totally walkable.

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I’m torn. Both are affordable but obviously one is cheaper than the other.

Option 1 has a nicer feel inside and is unarguably nicer looking and bigger, and the overall layout is better.

Option 2 would be fine, and has that balcony… Just lovely outside space. Feels like there would be compromises on a couple of points but would be the practical / conservative choice perhaps.

So, head or heart? Somewhere bigger with a nicer look and feel but costs more, or somewhere cheaper (so I can better over pay on the mortgage to try to chip it down quicker) but with the balcony trump-card??

I’m finding it tough to decide, and all the time there’s the anxiety that someone else will make an offer. (I already lost out one place that I loveddd because the timing didn’t work)

I’m second-guessing myself, and because it’s only me now there’s no-one to bounce off, no-one to sense check with, so here I am :D

Help!!
 
Hi chaps and chapesses,

So, after a long road my divorce will be finalized in May this year and I’ll be moving out of the marital home with a lump sum from the settlement that I can use as a deposit on a new place.

I’ve seen a few and there are two on my shortlist, both 2-bed flats:

1. Asking price has been reduced by £10k recently, older building but with a good EPC energy rating, off street parking, nice high ceilings, feels spacious, bay windows, some nice touches like tasteful paneling on the main bedroom wall. Kitchen is small-ish but totally fine. On the first floor of 3. No direct outside space but access to a nice shared garden.

Combi-boiler. Overall in good condition, some minor decorative bits to do, eg chipped kitchen cupboard door, chipped bathroom unit door. Walk-in wardrobe off the main bedroom, could be converted to an en-suite.

It’s set back from the road a bit, nothing really walkable in the area. Plenty of trees on the plot so some greenery around.

Or,

2. Asking price also reduced by £10k and been on the market since last summer (why??), but £20k cheaper than option 1.

Roughly option 2 would be £2-3k cheaper per year to run (lower council tax, service charge, lower mortgage).

Kitchen-diner rather than separate, smaller by 144 square feet than option 1. Electric heating, not gas. Newer build, not particularly pretty from the outside but has parking and garage.

On the top floor of a four-storey block, and has a lovely square balcony / terrace (12 sq metres) that overlooks the harbour and the hills beyond with trees this side - would be LOVELY on summer evenings.

Bathroom is fine but I would want to replace it. Second bedroom is a bit boxy - would be my home office.

It’s on a no-through road with lots of greenery, and is close to a really nice area with local shops, restaurants and bars, totally walkable.

-

I’m torn. Both are affordable but obviously one is cheaper than the other.

Option 1 has a nicer feel inside and is unarguably nicer looking and bigger, and the overall layout is better.

Option 2 would be fine, and has that balcony… Just lovely outside space. Feels like there would be compromises on a couple of points but would be the practical / conservative choice perhaps.

So, head or heart? Somewhere bigger with a nicer look and feel but costs more, or somewhere cheaper (so I can better over pay on the mortgage to try to chip it down quicker) but with the balcony trump-card??

I’m finding it tough to decide, and all the time there’s the anxiety that someone else will make an offer. (I already lost out one place that I loveddd because the timing didn’t work)

I’m second-guessing myself, and because it’s only me now there’s no-one to bounce off, no-one to sense check with, so here I am :D

Help!!
Are they both roughly in the same location?

As that's the biggest first consideration

Secondly...what's going on with the lease? How long left, how much is the ground rent, maintenance fees, service fees. Leaseholding is a brick show at the moment.
 
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Location, location, location. It's the bit you can't change/upgrade/improve (although you could buy somewhere that is turning into a good location), and it's the bit that will save your arse if you need to sell in a recession. What is the maintenance like, because once you factor that in, you may as well add the flat mortgage + maintenance, to pay for a freehold property mortgage? Also, watch out for the years remaining on the leasehold nightmare, wouldn't touch anything under 125 years. Also, can you afford to be without a car, and factor in the savings of buying/running/servicing a car for a better location/close to transport/work?
Or, rent for a year while you find a rich partner with your ideal home on Bumble!
 
Location, location, location. It's the bit you can't change/upgrade/improve (although you could buy somewhere that is turning into a good location), and it's the bit that will save your arse if you need to sell in a recession. What is the maintenance like, because once you factor that in, you may as well add the flat mortgage + maintenance, to pay for a freehold property mortgage? Also, watch out for the years remaining on the leasehold nightmare, wouldn't touch anything under 125 years. Also, can you afford to be without a car, and factor in the savings of buying/running/servicing a car for a better location/close to transport/work?
Or, rent for a year while you find a rich partner with your ideal home on Bumble!
That's poor advice.
It's just important to understand that you'll need to extend the lease before it goes below 90 years and factor in that cost/understand that you'll be at the mercy of legislation that "should" come in in the next four years. And understand the relationship between that and your mortgage term.

On that note - if the lease is sub/approaching 90years, you might struggle to get a mortgage.
It may as be the case that the price reflects that.

Check the Ground Rent terms.

Where are you based? They both seem to have been on the market for quite a while - is that normal in the area?

Join the National Leasehold Campaign on Facebook and read read read.
Lots of horror stories with leasehold. However it can be absolutely fine. Just go in with your eyes open.
 
Are they both roughly in the same location?

As that's the biggest first consideration

Secondly...what's going on with the lease? How long left, how much is the ground rent, maintenance fees, service fees. Leaseholding is a brick show at the moment.

Both on the south coast, about 10-15 mins drive apart.

Option 1 is in Bournemouth, option 2 just outside Poole. Op 1 location is fine, can run along the cliffs and the gardens and the beach. Op 2 location is definitely nicer in terms of local walkable amenities.

Op 1 is leasehold with 974 years, just under £2k service charge, peppercorn ground rent.

Op 2 is share of freehold, £1,200 service charge, no ground rent.
 
Location, location, location. It's the bit you can't change/upgrade/improve (although you could buy somewhere that is turning into a good location), and it's the bit that will save your arse if you need to sell in a recession. What is the maintenance like, because once you factor that in, you may as well add the flat mortgage + maintenance, to pay for a freehold property mortgage? Also, watch out for the years remaining on the leasehold nightmare, wouldn't touch anything under 125 years. Also, can you afford to be without a car, and factor in the savings of buying/running/servicing a car for a better location/close to transport/work?
Or, rent for a year while you find a rich partner with your ideal home on Bumble!

:D rich partner might have to be the way!

I do worry about unchecked service charge increases. I see some places with £4-5k p/a charges, a huge amount.

Lease length is fine on Op 1: 970-odd years. Op 2 share of freehold.

GHod knows what will happen with this commonhold thing coming.

Tbh I work remotely but do need to be in the office in the midlands maybe once a month at most. And for Op 1 I’d need it.

Op 2 I could live without a car but for the work thing.
 
That's poor advice.
It's just important to understand that you'll need to extend the lease before it goes below 90 years and factor in that cost/understand that you'll be at the mercy of legislation that "should" come in in the next four years. And understand the relationship between that and your mortgage term.

On that note - if the lease is sub/approaching 90years, you might struggle to get a mortgage.
It may as be the case that the price reflects that.

Check the Ground Rent terms.

Where are you based? They both seem to have been on the market for quite a while - is that normal in the area?

Join the National Leasehold Campaign on Facebook and read read read.
Lots of horror stories with leasehold. However it can be absolutely fine. Just go in with your eyes open.

Thanks, interesting stuff.

I’m currently in Herts but looking to relocate back to Dorset.

These are in Bournemouth and Poole respectively.

Op 1 has been on I think from maybe Dec 2024. So xmas / new year is a bad time I guess, and maybe just a bit overpriced originally.

Op 2 is weird that it’s been on for so long. I’m seeing it on Saturday so maybe there’s something off-putting that the photos don’t show. But the road, location, amenities should mean it should have been snapped up. Dunno, maybe it smells or something :D

From my online searches, I’ve seen a few in the area that have been on a while and been reduced, then some that are under offer or sold subject to contract pretty quickly. It’s a real mix.
 
It sounds like you haven’t viewed them yet, certainly option 2, in which case you’ll get a much better Idea once you’ve viewed them. When we did our first move 15 years ago, I lost count of how many places we saw that we liked on paper but just wasn’t for us once we saw them
Ask the estate agent why option 2 has been on so long. There could be a simple reason but obviously take everything they say with a pinch of salt!
Don’t rush into buying if you don’t end up liking either of them after viewing
 
That's poor advice.
It's just important to understand that you'll need to extend the lease before it goes below 90 years and factor in that cost/understand that you'll be at the mercy of legislation that "should" come in in the next four years. And understand the relationship between that and your mortgage term.

On that note - if the lease is sub/approaching 90years, you might struggle to get a mortgage.
It may as be the case that the price reflects that.

Check the Ground Rent terms.

Where are you based? They both seem to have been on the market for quite a while - is that normal in the area?

Join the National Leasehold Campaign on Facebook and read read read.
Lots of horror stories with leasehold. However it can be absolutely fine. Just go in with your eyes open.
You say that's poor advice, but then explain exactly why I said it. Have you ever extended a lease with 90 years or less remaining?
 
It sounds like you haven’t viewed them yet, certainly option 2, in which case you’ll get a much better Idea once you’ve viewed them. When we did our first move 15 years ago, I lost count of how many places we saw that we liked on paper but just wasn’t for us once we saw them
Ask the estate agent why option 2 has been on so long. There could be a simple reason but obviously take everything they say with a pinch of salt!
Don’t rush into buying if you don’t end up liking either of them after viewing

I’ve seen Op 1 twice and I like it, quite a lot.

Op 2 I’m seeing for the first time this weekend, and I think then things will become clearer.

It’s weird, I don’t know if I feel rushed or if I’m stalling because I can’t decide.

I feel like I’d be gutted if Op 1 sold. Rationally I know others will pop up on the market but emotionally it’s a tough one.

I don’t know how much of that is just big life change uncertainty, post-divorce stuff and goes much is just reasonable, big-decision jitters.
 
I wouldn’t move into a flat unless it was top floor. Otherwise I would seek a legal assurance there have been no complaints of noise disruption raised by the current occupier.

Absolutely trumps all other considerations giving the potential for disrupted sleep by the residents above. Been there as a tenant and that is bad enough.
 
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I’ve seen Op 1 twice and I like it, quite a lot.

Op 2 I’m seeing for the first time this weekend, and I think then things will become clearer.

It’s weird, I don’t know if I feel rushed or if I’m stalling because I can’t decide.

I feel like I’d be gutted if Op 1 sold. Rationally I know others will pop up on the market but emotionally it’s a tough one.

I don’t know how much of that is just big life change uncertainty, post-divorce stuff and goes much is just reasonable, big-decision jitters.
As you say, things will be clearer after viewing option 2. Has it definitely been on sale the whole time or has it come off and then come back on. We moved last year but we had three buyers pull out before eventually selling so to anyone following the market would have seen our place disappear and reappear sporadically! Anyone checking every 2-3 months would have assumed it had been on the whole time

Like others have said, I prefer the sound of 2 and I would definitely favour living in or near Poole rather than Bournemouth if it comes down to choosing between locations

Good luck!
 
I wouldn’t move into a flat unless it was top floor. Otherwise I would seek a legal assurance there have been no complaints of noise disruption raised by the current occupier.

Absolutely trumps all other considerations giving the potential for disrupted sleep by the residents above. Been there as a tenant and that is bad enough.

Yes, that’s a consideration totally, especially as I’ll be working from home too.
 
As you say, things will be clearer after viewing option 2. Has it definitely been on sale the whole time or has it come off and then come back on. We moved last year but we had three buyers pull out before eventually selling so to anyone following the market would have seen our place disappear and reappear sporadically! Anyone checking every 2-3 months would have assumed it had been on the whole time

Like others have said, I prefer the sound of 2 and I would definitely favour living in or near Poole rather than Bournemouth if it comes down to choosing between locations

Good luck!

Yes, hard to tell - Zoopla has it listed since Aug 2024, and Rightmove since May!

It may well have sold and fallen through though.

It was reduced last month so it must have been not shifting for a while I guess.

Thanks!
 
Do you work from home if not what would the commute be like.

What is public transport like if you want to come up for Spurs games and have a drink.

Sit in your car outside both on a Saturday night to see if the are lots of tinkleheads walking past it or gangs of youths.

Depending on your age is it close to doctors, hospitals and bus services.
 
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