Black Lives Matter

[thfcsteff]

It's there in the BBC and Washington Post reports, but as a passing mention.

The initial report shows no trauma to the windpipe and mentions likely high drug levels (awaiting full toxicology report) and heart issues.

There you go, mitigating the action. Listen. When a man says he can't breathe, get your knee off his fudging neck. How simple is that to understand?

 

[thfcsteff]

What in the name of fudge are you talking about? They had history so it's okay to kneel on his neck for over eight minutes? What's your fudging point you souless fudging creep?

He's even got that wrong. One worked inside the cub, one worked outside. Nobody has said they "had history". Our friend is drawing conclusions.

 

[scaramanga]

I see, so you are questioning whether he would have died that day regardless of the events that occurred with police? Because if you are that doesn’t corroborate with the preliminary findings of the coroner.

I'm not sure - I don't think there's enough information to come to that conclusion yet.

I would guess that he would probably have been fine if he'd stayed at home and had a cup of tea that day. What's unclear is whether the 10 minute struggle killed him or having his neck kneeled on. It is a hugely important distinction though.

 

[AuroRaman]

Let me make this clear. Wizwig has no interest in anything which does not empathize with the struggle of the right-wing in this oppressive lefty world. Just know this and your life in this specfic forum will be m much easier.

Oh mate, I’m fully aware. I’m engaging purely for my own entertainment.

 

[AuroRaman]

There you go, mitigating the action. Listen. When a man says he can't breathe, get your knee off his fudging neck. How simple is that to understand?

And when he’s unconscious and has stopped breathing, it might be an idea to not keep your knee on his neck for a further 3 minutes.

 

[thfcsteff]

You think it's odd to want to know whether a policeman killed a criminal or he killed himself by blowing his heart up with drugs?

I think it's a very important distinction - especially as it's being used as an excuse by so many to destroy/steal property and murder.

I am going to ask you a very simple question. Do you believe that there are other groups who take advantage of these situations to create chaos?

 

[scaramanga]

Let’s completely ignore the fact that he died for argument’s sake, the video footage of the cop restraining Floyd with his knee on Floyd’s neck is appalling, unsafe and not good practice at best.

It’s true that there is not enough viral footage of cops saving lives and doing heroic things but Murica definitely employs too many thugs who were probably bullied at high school. It’s not just “a few bad apples” as the republicans like to point out. They need to do more to weed out the bad eggs. More stringent psychology testing would be a good start, why do you want to be a policeman etc.

I don’t think any right minded person condones the violence and looting but the police department in Murica absolutely needs reforming.

I'm not condoning his behaviour at all.

I'm pointing out that there's a world of difference between restraining someone in the wrong manner with no differential effect at all and restraining someone in the wrong manner leading to their death.

The press and everyone looking for an excuse to riot have immediately assumed the latter, the evidence we (and they) have so far doesn't support that.

 

[scaramanga]

There you go, mitigating the action. Listen. When a man says he can't breathe, get your knee off his fudging neck. How simple is that to understand?

What if he says he can't breathe before he's on the floor and then resists being put in the car? What if you suspect that because if there's actions he's just trying to get you to stop restraining him?

 

[scaramanga]

I am going to ask you a very simple question. Do you believe that there are other groups who take advantage of these situations to create chaos?

Absolutely. There were thousands out last night who were just waiting for a protest they could use as an excuse to break stuff and steal things.

 

[AuroRaman]

I'm not condoning his behaviour at all.

I'm pointing out that there's a world of difference between restraining someone in the wrong manner with no differential effect at all and restraining someone in the wrong manner leading to their death.

The press and everyone looking for an excuse to riot have immediately assumed the latter, the evidence we (and they) have so far doesn't support that.

If you think the uprisings and protests happening right now in the US is an excuse to riot you’ve not been paying attention for a very long time.

 

[scaramanga]

And when he’s unconscious and has stopped breathing, it might be an idea to not keep your knee on his neck for a further 3 minutes.

Coroner's report would suggest no pressure from his knee.

We'll know more when the full report is released.

 

[thfcsteff]

What if he says he can't breathe before he's on the floor and then resists being put in the car? What if you suspect that because if there's actions he's just trying to get you to stop restraining him?

Have you seen the released footage? All of it? The man couldn't have resisted a cream cake FFS. Do you know Chauvin's history? Enough Scara, I know you pride yourself on doing the margins of extreme unemotional logic, but it doesn't fit here.

 

[scaramanga]

If you think the uprisings and protests happening right now in the US is an excuse to riot you’ve not been paying attention for a very long time.

You think the riots would have happened last night without the protests?

 

[scaramanga]

Have you seen the released footage? All of it? The man couldn't have resisted a cream cake FFS. Do you know Chauvin's history? Enough Scara, I know you pride yourself on doing the margins of extreme unemotional logic, but it doesn't fit here.

I'm not going to judge until I've seen all of the footage, not the section that someone wanted the press to see.

How many times has this happened in the past where someone uploads a video of what looks like police brutality or shooting for no reason, only for the full video to show something else entirely.

 

[thfcsteff]

Absolutely. There were thousands out last night who were just waiting for a protest they could use as an excuse to break stuff and steal things.

There are large groups of extreme right-wing agitators and extreme left-wing anarchists who infiltrate these moments to cause maximum chaos. If you wanted to walk down Conspiracy Alley a little further, you'd say the White House reaction was designed to create a race-division playbook and divide an conquer further so as there are more distractions from the brick he is getting up to in office as he works hard to ensure another term in office. One thing is for sure, he is doing noting to de-escalate, and as the "leader" of the nation that should scare the brick out of people.

 

[thfcsteff]

I'm not going to judge until I've seen all of the footage, not the section that someone wanted the press to see.

How many times has this happened in the past where someone uploads a video of what looks like police brutality or shooting for no reason, only for the full video to show something else entirely.

It's out there in long form. Go looking. Again, he couldn't have resisted a cream cake. And all on suspicion of a forged 20 dollar check? Come on man.

 

[AuroRaman]

You think the riots would have happened last night without the protests?

I doubt it very much. But the tone of your posts is that the majority of people are rioting and the police are simply reacting. The beauty of the modern age is that there is enough footage being released on a minute-by-minute basis online that shows this to not be the case.

 

[AuroRaman]

How many times has this happened in the past where someone uploads a video of what looks like police brutality or shooting for no reason, only for the full video to show something else entirely.

Very rarely.

 

[scaramanga]

There are large groups of extreme right-wing agitators and extreme left-wing anarchists who infiltrate these moments to cause maximum chaos. If you wanted to walk down Conspiracy Alley a little further, you'd say the White House reaction was designed to create a race-division playbook and divide an conquer further so as there are more distractions from the brick he is getting up to in office as he works hard to ensure another term in office. One thing is for sure, he is doing noting to de-escalate, and as the "leader" of the nation that should scare the brick out of people.

I am not a fan of conspiracy theories at all.

Far more likely that the simpler explanation of there is a significant number of society's shoe scrapings who believe the world owes them something. That they feel they can take instead of earning and this is the opportunity.

 

[scaramanga]

I doubt it very much. But the tone of your posts is that the majority of people are rioting and the police are simply reacting. The beauty of the modern age is that there is enough footage being released on a minute-by-minute basis online that shows this to not be the case.

I've never had issue with police smashing the fudge out of rioters - neither here nor in the US. Had they gone in harder on the miners in the 80s this country would be a significantly better one IMO.