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Benjamin Stambouli - Sold to PSG
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braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
How much slower is he than players like Carrick, Barry and Matic?
Not sure I agree with your bargain-bin description.
One of the standout criticisms for me for some of our previous managers have been seemingly targeting top class, very expensive, difficult to attract players without also having a backup plan in place that was more attainable.
It seems likely that Stambouli was the backup plan for Schneiderlin. I really don't think that makes him bargain-bin. It's the sensible approach to a transfer decision to have more than one options, some more gettable than others in case the first choice target doesn't come through. And in recent weeks I think Stambouli has started to show a real value to the team and club.
Cheers for sharing this and the pic Bedford
Glad to see Benji enjoying himself.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I think what is clouding us all is that match against Partizan where he was left for dust at least twice by one of their wingers. It really has stuck in my mind and probably prejudices my thoughts on him.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
maybe he was carrying an injury or not fully fit, he is starting to grow on me, much better then Capoue
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
As a character, much like Soldado, I really like him Chich. And yes I was probably premature in my earlier comments on him. Let's hope he develops and settles in to a very good CM.
How much slower is he than players like Carrick, Barry and Matic?
Not sure I agree with your bargain-bin description.
One of the standout criticisms for me for some of our previous managers have been seemingly targeting top class, very expensive, difficult to attract players without also having a backup plan in place that was more attainable.
It seems likely that Stambouli was the backup plan for Schneiderlin. I really don't think that makes him bargain-bin. It's the sensible approach to a transfer decision to have more than one options, some more gettable than others in case the first choice target doesn't come through. And in recent weeks I think Stambouli has started to show a real value to the team and club.
Cheers for sharing this and the pic Bedford
Glad to see Benji enjoying himself.
Good post, and one of the things I noticed when attending a couple of games that he played in, is the fact that he seems to have leadership qualities, he organises and tries to fire up his team mates, which I would say is what we need
parklane1
Tony Galvin
tickle my balls with a feather.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
That's the thing though. Most defensive midfielders get done for pace by quick wingers. Yes there are athletic exceptions, but they're rare and usually have other weaknesses.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
He's quite slow when compared to the forwards he has to play against. I agree, the Partizan game was an extreme demonstration of this fact, but there have been smaller examples of his inability to return to position and intercept opposition forwards when caught too far forward. Carrick is probably as slow as he is, but he's the deep-lying playmaker and so brings attributes that to an extent compensate for his lack of pace. Matic is one of the best DMs in the league (and the world) despite his lack of pace. Barry is awful, and the Everton fans largely agree now that he is awful: not sure you should be bringing him in to bolster your point.
Stambouli is slow even when compared to some of the DMs we've had in recent years (Sandro, Palacios). It isn't a game-killer as far as he's concerned: he has other attributes (leadership, for one, and decent technical ability) that could in time compensate for his weaknesses a la Matic, but at present this is a glaring weakness of his. I don't see what's particularly objectionable about that statement.
It is almost certain that Stambouli was the rock-bottom price, cheap, 'affordable' back-up plan for Schneiderlin. I will leave it at that: what I have to say beyond that isn't in the spirit of the season, or conducive to general harmony. Suffice to say, it is my belief that his signing was certainly a 'bargain-bin' affair, and that belief will take a long time to fade away. It doesn't prevent me admitting that he's been quite good overall, and that (again), he seems like a genuinely great bloke.
I agree with that entirely. His signing really came out of the blue and, when you look at what he has done in his career so far and from the (admittedly limited) amounts which we've seen from him on the pitch, you wonder why we signed him. He doesnt look good enough to ever become a first choice, unless we fall away to become a mid-table team, why sign him to fill up the bench? Looks very limited technically to me and slow - we already have someone like that in Capoue!
That said, Capoue was given about 18 months til Poch/spurs/us have all realised how cr@p he is, and therefore it makes sense to give Stambo til this time next year. In that time, I'm sure he'll have a run in the team, more likely in the EL, FA Cup or Leauge Cup, and then he can either prove himself and create a future for himself at Spurs or, as I believe, prove that he's not up to it and then be shipped out
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Disagree that Barry is awful, although he might have been poor this season. I remember Eveton being rather pleased with him last season at least.
Of course Carrick and Matic are different class than what we have, this seems fairly natural. My point was that about the impact of this one weakness Stambouli has. Some of the comments about him have made it seemed like rather than some weakness to work around this was a weakness so large that he couldn't make it with us.
Rather lovely if our "bargain-bin" signings can be "quite good overall" even this early in their Spurs career, offer leadership, fit the system quite nicely and be a genuinely great bloke to boot. Certainly a step forward from our first choice transfer targets seeming completely out of place both in the league and in the system.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Well, in regard to Barry, I'd urge you to take a gander at what GrandOldTeam has to say about this season. Like I said, presently awful. I don't disagree that some of the criticism Stambouli gets is over the top and unnecessary, though.
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
Barry was a crucial part of City's title winning team, it's no surprise how loved he is up there. He's just getting on now and not effective as he once was.
In all honesty, I wish Stambouli would be instructed to play how he did in the second half against United. He was disciplined, acted as a foil to the hard working Mason and really helped out defensively. Now, this could have been because he was on a yellow but his game improved tremendously. Rooney is still in his pocket.
In all honesty, I wish Stambouli would be instructed to play how he did in the second half against United. He was disciplined, acted as a foil to the hard working Mason and really helped out defensively. Now, this could have been because he was on a yellow but his game improved tremendously. Rooney is still in his pocket.
milo
Jack L. Jones
That probably mean that he is doing his job well.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
Maybe it's the other way round, once mason stopped roaming out of position and he wasn't having to cover two positions he looked better. For me Mason moves to far forward with little thought of what's behind him. I know he likes to be further forward I just think he gets to caught up in going forward to much. He's young and will learn,
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metalgear
Luka Modric
i thought he was doing that on instruction. his runs forwards makes the extra man in our attacks. also poch plays two CMs in the centre with one in position to defend. we certainly have more variation in attack with Mason's forward runs.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Thought Townsend was the one primarily getting out of position too easily and pressing without concern for what was going on behind him in that first half.
Left Young as the way too easy passing option, forcing Mason and Stambouli to push across and sometimes Fazio out of position to get closer to Vlad to make sure he didn't have to deal with Young alone.
Looked a lot better second half.
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
At the end of the day, his second half performance, in fact ours in general, was promising. It showed, to me at least that Poch knew the problems and got them fixed. We were much better in the second half, players looked like they knew what they were doing after given clear instruction, a plan was in place. That for me is promising and the more these guys play together, the more they'll learn and the better we will develop.
stinkfoot
Eidur Gudjohnsen
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/01/05/is-this-why-benjamin-stambouli-is-not-playing-regularly-for-tott/
Strange thing to say re: French Football. I'd be pretty ****ed off if I was a supporter of Montpellier and one of the players (albeit ex-player) said that.
Strange thing to say re: French Football. I'd be pretty ****ed off if I was a supporter of Montpellier and one of the players (albeit ex-player) said that.