AVB

[chancer]

There's a lot of money to be had in being in that group of coaches who swap jobs every couple of years, although it does suggest that he is settling for a fat bank balance over meaningful trophies

Yeah, that's exactly it. It's like a parallel universe of coaches who don't want to do the dirty work in tough domestic leagues (or are incapable of doing so), but at the same time want huge budgets, Galactico players, and their faces on camera on big CL nights next to the Ancelottis, Peps and SAFs of this world.

It feels like a cheap, fake, pretendy way of reaching the top table. Not the least bit admirable.

 

[Seedy Ron]

Maybe that was the only job offer he had? Is being sat twiddling your thumbs more likely to encourage someone in one of the tough leagues to give you a job, rather than taking a job in a place like Russia and getting results there?

 

[milo]

Maybe that was the only job offer he had? Is being sat twiddling your thumbs more likely to encourage someone in one of the tough leagues to give you a job, rather than taking a job in a place like Russia and getting results there?

I think that he would have been offered a job in one of the top four leagues if he had waited until the summer. I think that the PSG job is also likely to be available again although I'm not sure that the French league is much more competitive than the Russian.

 

[Baleforce]

it also looks like a tap in to win the title, another one on the CV

nothing stopping him taking a bigger job in the summer, the contract just ensures some compensation for Zenit

 

[Seedy Ron]

I think that he would have been offered a job in one of the top four leagues if he had waited until the summer. I think that the PSG job is also likely to be available again although I'm not sure that the French league is much more competitive than the Russian.

PSG would also be another big money, Galactico, "I could win the league with that lot" job. He'd get no credit from a job like that either.

People want him at some cash-strapped relegation fodder, perform managerial self-flagellation for a few years, and as an extra bonus if he fails it'll prove he was **** all along. Earn his place the good old way. Of course for some of the same people it's OK, even desirable, for us to be managed now by a guy who hasn't even been arsed to get his license but there you go, that's covered elsewhere.

I don't get the continued dislike for the guy.

 

[milo]

PSG would also be another big money, Galactico, "I could win the league with that lot" job. He'd get no credit from a job like that either.

People want him at some cash-strapped relegation fodder, perform managerial self-flagellation for a few years, and as an extra bonus if he fails it'll prove he was **** all along. Earn his place the good old way. Of course for some of the same people it's OK, even desirable, for us to be managed now by a guy who hasn't even been arsed to get his license but there you go, that's covered elsewhere.

I don't get the continued dislike for the guy.

I don't dislike the guy. I hope he does well and I said that there wasn't much difference between managing in France and Russia. I just think that considering all the talk of him only being in management for a short time, being highly ambitious and wanting to build something, I am surprised that he has taken a job in Russia where other than being paid **** loads he cannot achieve more than he did at Porto.

 

[billyiddo]

id imagine it's a quick way to restore his reputation after his last couple of jobs.

 

[milo]

id imagine it's a quick way to restore his reputation after his last couple of jobs.

Possibly but I cannot see him taking a step up from there unless they have a phenomenal Champions League run. I think that it is more likely that he has settled for being one of the well paid managers, in second tier jobs, who swap places every few years. I'm not saying that to put him down, I just think that it is the most likely reason/outcome.

 

[Kingdawson]

id imagine it's a quick way to restore his reputation after his last couple of jobs.

but it doesn't restore his reputation does it?

we know his tactics work when his managing the best team in a tin pot league. The jury is out as to whether or not he can do it in a 'big league' after failing twice.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

I don't dislike the guy. I hope he does well and I said that there wasn't much difference between managing in France and Russia. I just think that considering all the talk of him only being in management for a short time, being highly ambitious and wanting to build something, I am surprised that he has taken a job in Russia where other than being paid **** loads he cannot achieve more than he did at Porto.

Yeh, I would have liked to have seen him take on a mid table team in Germany or Spain where there would be little pressure for immediate success and see what he could do with them over 4 or 5 years. I think had he made them a success (CL qualification or the likes) that would have looked much better on his CV than winning the league with Zenit.

 

[milo]

Yeh, I would have liked to have seen him take on a mid table team in Germany or Spain where there would be little pressure for immediate success and see what he could do with them over 4 or 5 years. I think had he made them a success (CL qualification or the likes) that would have looked much better on his CV than winning the league with Zenit.

I think that he would be well suited to Italian football

 

[Baleforce]

I think that he would be well suited to Italian football

I think so, i'd love to see him at Milan

 

[chancer]

I think that he would be well suited to Italian football

And look at the big clubs performing below par for their stature:

- Italy: Lazio (7), Parma (9), Milan (10), Sampdoria (12), Genoa (13), Bologna (18).

- Germany: Hertha (10), Eintract Frankfurt (11), Hanover (13), Werder Bremen (14), Stuttgart (15), Hamburg (16) Nurnburg (18)

- Spain: Valencia (8), Celta Vigo (10), Espanyol (12), Malaga (13), Osasuna (16), Real Betis (20).

- France: Bordeaux (7), Nantes (10), Montpellier (13), Nice (14)


I'm not saying he'd have gotten any of those jobs, but that's 24 clubs in the 4 top leagues, all of whom have famous names/histories and are clearly not where they should be. I'd rank improving any of that lot to a significant degree ahead of winning the Russian league with the biggest team in Russia.

 

[Dicko]

And look at the big clubs performing below par for their stature:

- Italy: Lazio (7), Parma (9), Milan (10), Sampdoria (12), Genoa (13), Bologna (18).

- Germany: Hertha (10), Eintract Frankfurt (11), Hanover (13), Werder Bremen (14), Stuttgart (15), Hamburg (16) Nurnburg (18)

- Spain: Valencia (8), Celta Vigo (10), Espanyol (12), Malaga (13), Osasuna (16), Real Betis (20).

- France: Bordeaux (7), Nantes (10), Montpellier (13), Nice (14)

I'm not saying he'd have gotten any of those jobs, but that's 24 clubs in the 4 top leagues, all of whom have famous names/histories and are clearly not where they should be. I'd rank improving any of that lot to a significant degree ahead of winning the Russian league with the biggest team in Russia.

On the flip side if he took one of these jobs here and wasn't immediately perfoming better than these league positions above he would be slated further, are we saying all of the current managers of these sides are must all be terrible? or are we saying they are all better than AVB just because they are mid-table in a more competitive league!?

 

[braineclipse]

Didn't AVB just take the job that paid the best that also had a chance for silverware and a lot of exposure through regular CL football as it's the best choice for his career?

Why would he not do that? To prove a bunch of people on online forums wrong?

 

[milo]

Didn't AVB just take the job that paid the best that also had a chance for silverware and a lot of exposure through regular CL football as it's the best choice for his career?

Why would he not do that? To prove a bunch of people on online forums wrong?

I'm sure that he took it because the pay is the best but I'm not sure that he has much chance of winning non-domestic silverware.

I'm also not sure that it is the best move for his career unless it is his intention to get on the highly paid manager at second tier club carousel.

 

[chancer]

Didn't AVB just take the job that paid the best that also had a chance for silverware and a lot of exposure through regular CL football as it's the best choice for his career?

Why would he not do that? To prove a bunch of people on online forums wrong?

I fear that's a problem, not a virtue.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

And look at the big clubs performing below par for their stature:

- Italy: Lazio (7), Parma (9), Milan (10), Sampdoria (12), Genoa (13), Bologna (18).

- Germany: Hertha (10), Eintract Frankfurt (11), Hanover (13), Werder Bremen (14), Stuttgart (15), Hamburg (16) Nurnburg (18)

- Spain: Valencia (8), Celta Vigo (10), Espanyol (12), Malaga (13), Osasuna (16), Real Betis (20).

- France: Bordeaux (7), Nantes (10), Montpellier (13), Nice (14)


I'm not saying he'd have gotten any of those jobs, but that's 24 clubs in the 4 top leagues, all of whom have famous names/histories and are clearly not where they should be. I'd rank improving any of that lot to a significant degree ahead of winning the Russian league with the biggest team in Russia.

I actually think he'd be better taking on a side with no history. As soon as he took over at one of the above their would be expectation, he needs to take a fairly innocuous mid table team that have won very little in their history and turn them into CL contenders/trophy winners. That would gain him much more respect that what he's doing currently.

 

[milo]

I actually think he'd be better taking on a side with no history. As soon as he took over at one of the above their would be expectation, he needs to take a fairly innocuous mid table team that have won very little in their history and turn them into CL contenders/trophy winners. That would gain him much more respect that what he's doing currently.

Not many teams with no history in the top four or five leagues break into CL contenders/trophy winners, there is just too much money in football now and those without are frozen out.

 

[braineclipse]

I'm sure that he took it because the pay is the best but I'm not sure that he has much chance of winning non-domestic silverware.

I'm also not sure that it is the best move for his career unless it is his intention to get on the highly paid manager at second tier club carousel.

Which clubs could he take over that has much of a chance winning non-domestic silverware? People are talking about mid-table German clubs here...

If dumped into the EL at some point I'd say Zenit will be up there amongst the favourites to win it.

I fear that's a problem, not a virtue.

A problem for who?