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Another shooting in Murica

scaramanga said:
This case was a report of domestic violence. The first responders will always be the nearest to the scene.
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I have read about the situation. It would be poor to me if any
Grays_1890 said:
Maybe so, the point is when approached by a cop you dont know that so what do you do, it works both ways? Comply or not? If you comply and you are shot at point blank range then the cop is racist.

Thats an extreme simplistic point for the sake of it, but how many videos are there of anyone, white, black or hispanic being shot for complying with the police questioning? Regardless of anyones belief of the police surely law and order means you comply if a cop asks you to do something within reason?

Thats where we need to get back to
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Sorry, I am going to sound rude but so be it. This is a platitude without knowledge or context. Seriously, spend some real time in the US and you will perhaps start to understand. I know you mean well, but your last two words are at the centre of everything which is going on...
 
thfcsteff said:
I have read about the situation. It would be poor to me if any


Sorry, I am going to sound rude but so be it. This is a platitude without knowledge or context. Seriously, spend some real time in the US and you will perhaps start to understand. I know you mean well, but your last two words are at the centre of everything which is going on...
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Thats fine and thats why its good to chat these things out

The point is I believe that the US needs to get to a point where faith in both sides is restored, this is bigger than just racist cops, its a huge cosmic sized cluster based on a HUGE number of variables.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Thats fine and thats why its good to chat these things out

The point is I believe that the US needs to get to a point where faith in both sides is restored, this is bigger than just racist cops, its a huge cosmic sized cluster based on a HUGE number of variables.
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Quite.
In the long-term that would be excellent.
The factors necessary to make that happen are sadly at least a decade and change away.
 
give an inadequately trained civi a gun and here we are.

We train our lollypop ladies to a higher level.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I think this point is key but not easily explained on its own, the larger question is why black people act like they do when questioned. These incidents all seems to follow a trait of running or acting with suspicion, now this could be because of paranoia because of the perception of racism within the police, we dont know, hard to look inside a dead mans head. It goes back to my post, there is a roostertail of disaster in the US where all factors seem to add up to these outcomes.

My mates a Cop in the Met too and he has to do some pretty hairy things but the jobs 400% easier to police when you pull someone over and the potential for guns is low, extremely low in comparison especially when dealing with a misdemeanor where the likelihood is close to zero. In the US the feeling someone might have a gun hangs over even the smallest of pulls.

What I will say regardless of what we think about the police in the US not all the cops are racist and I would say before judging any cop their orders should be followed and not ignored, by running to your car you are going to put non racist cops into a decision making process no one wants to make.
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I think if you are black and grow up being regularly stopped by the police as you go about your lawful business, being asked where you are going, what you are doing, where do you live, if you're regularly stopped in your car and asked the same questions and asked for your papers, and you see all this happening over and over to you or your family or your black friends but not to your white friends/school/college mates, then it's not surprising that it creates an environment of mistrust and suspicion. Maybe you've grown up seeing people you know (if not yourself) being taken in and questionned over something for no other reason than the colour of their skin, maybe you know people who have been charged/convicted through little more than racial profiling. I don't think the perception of racism within the police is paranoia, a large number of people have experienced it first hand and it doesn't take a lot of working out why they might try to avoid/evade any police interaction.

Of course I agree not every police officer is racist but it's not always so easy to make that distinction when it has been your general experience in life.
The way people are treated often impacts on the way they (re)act.

It doesn't mean criminal activity should be excused or ignored, nor that in this most recent incident the police were racist in their actions, but when so much has been so wrong for so long, events like this becomes the focal point for questions and protests because the end result is a black person has been shot by the police and (rightly or wrongly) it's a reminder of things that have gone before and that are still happening.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I think if you are black and grow up being regularly stopped by the police as you go about your lawful business, being asked where you are going, what you are doing, where do you live, if you're regularly stopped in your car and asked the same questions and asked for your papers, and you see all this happening over and over to you or your family or your black friends but not to your white friends/school/college mates, then it's not surprising that it creates an environment of mistrust and suspicion. Maybe you've grown up seeing people you know (if not yourself) being taken in and questionned over something for no other reason than the colour of their skin, maybe you know people who have been charged/convicted through little more than racial profiling. I don't think the perception of racism within the police is paranoia, a large number of people have experienced it first hand and it doesn't take a lot of working out why they might try to avoid/evade any police interaction.

Of course I agree not every police officer is racist but it's not always so easy to make that distinction when it has been your general experience in life.
The way people are treated often impacts on the way they (re)act.

It doesn't mean criminal activity should be excused or ignored, nor that in this most recent incident the police were racist in their actions, but when so much has been so wrong for so long, events like this becomes the focal point for questions and protests because the end result is a black person has been shot by the police and (rightly or wrongly) it's a reminder of things that have gone before and that are still happening.
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A superb post. Thank you.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I think if you are black and grow up being regularly stopped by the police as you go about your lawful business, being asked where you are going, what you are doing, where do you live, if you're regularly stopped in your car and asked the same questions and asked for your papers, and you see all this happening over and over to you or your family or your black friends but not to your white friends/school/college mates, then it's not surprising that it creates an environment of mistrust and suspicion. Maybe you've grown up seeing people you know (if not yourself) being taken in and questionned over something for no other reason than the colour of their skin, maybe you know people who have been charged/convicted through little more than racial profiling. I don't think the perception of racism within the police is paranoia, a large number of people have experienced it first hand and it doesn't take a lot of working out why they might try to avoid/evade any police interaction.

Of course I agree not every police officer is racist but it's not always so easy to make that distinction when it has been your general experience in life.
The way people are treated often impacts on the way they (re)act.

It doesn't mean criminal activity should be excused or ignored, nor that in this most recent incident the police were racist in their actions, but when so much has been so wrong for so long, events like this becomes the focal point for questions and protests because the end result is a black person has been shot by the police and (rightly or wrongly) it's a reminder of things that have gone before and that are still happening.
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You'd think all that practice of doing what police say and not getting shot might teach people that doing what they say means you don't get shot.
 
wiziwig said:
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Have some folks on here skipped this video because it does not fit their way of thinking, i only ask because it seems that some have either ignored it or have nothing to say that fits their opinions.

Before the usual suspects start accusing me of being a racist i found the video ( by a BLACK man) that maybe will put a bit more insight into some of the outpourings.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
How about shoulder shots, enough to incapacitate someone and neutralise the threat but not to kill.
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I think the key thing is seven (or even 1) in the back will cause death, in most cases. Blow his hand off i don't care, I’d like to see anyone use a gun or knife without a hand. Apparently though all police on this planet can only hit a centre mass. Maybe thats part of the solution, teach cops how to aim properly.
 
awesome dawson said:
I think the key thing is seven (or even 1) in the back will cause death, in most cases. Blow his hand off i don't care, I’d like to see anyone use a gun or knife without a hand. Apparently though all police on this planet can only hit a centre mass. Maybe thats part of the solution, teach cops how to aim properly.
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Go out and buy a paint ball gun, get your mate to run towards you or away from you and try and shoot him in the leg or hand and post a video of you doing it, both myself and half the Met anti-terrorist squad are intrigued by the results.

Edit. Oh and if you do it repeatedly one of the guys wants to know if you could come down and teach them how to do it
 
NoLimits01 said:
Go out and buy a paint ball gun, get your mate to run towards you or away from you and try and shoot him in the leg or hand and post a video of you doing it, both myself and half the Met anti-terrorist squad are intrigued by the results.

Edit. Oh and if you do it repeatedly one of the guys wants to know if you could come down and teach them how to do it
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I don't recall seeing George Floyd or Jacob Blake running.
 
scaramanga said:
You'd think all that practice of doing what police say and not getting shot might teach people that doing what they say means you don't get shot.
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Care to explain this? I feel I know what you're saying, but hiding behind pithy quips is not really helpful for overall clarity. Thanks.
 
parklane1 said:
Have some folks on here skipped this video because it does not fit their way of thinking, i only ask because it seems that some have either ignored it or have nothing to say that fits their opinions.

Before the usual suspects start accusing me of being a racist i found the video ( by a BLACK man) that maybe will put a bit more insight into some of the outpourings.
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Let me explain why I personally did not respond; it is largely irrelevant to what happened.
His "criminal history" (not all verified BTW) is certainly not gold medal territory. He doesn't tick my "citizen of the year" box by the slightest stretch.
But can you explain to me what that has to do with being shot in the back 7 times from close range by two "officers" who clearly -and I mean clearly- have no control over the situation and have thus let panic set in?
Are we now in an era where the past actions of people determine whether they are worthy recipients of such treatment?
So honestly? I think it is absolute flimflam from a man who has made an Internet career out of being "the black guy who sides with Trump". Marvelous for him, it is (somehow still only just) a free country, but it is a side-show character profile.
The action was completely unjustified in proportion to the call, and the "officers" fudged it up beyond all measure. As for the "racist" accusation, I am not sure the officers were knowingly engaging in a racist action, but I would bet you that had the man walking to his car been white, the shooting would not have been so swift. Fear of a black planet is big in certain parts of the US, and it is sadly spreading like wildfire, amplified by the cacophony in what was once "the news"...
 
Imagine -if you will- that the final 20 seconds of this video were of a black man walking with his hands in the air...what do you think the police would've done?


 
thfcsteff said:
Imagine -if you will- that the final 20 seconds of this video were of a black man walking with his hands in the air...what do you think the police would've done?


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Jesus they did not even detain him.

I am actually speechless.

Steff dont know what to say about what is going on out there. So much wrong i dont know where to start.

Hope you and your family stay safe.


Fcuking mad country.
 
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