Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
TBF he got the opportunity to follow it up...........
..........He fcuked up the opportunity but haha
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Ange in or out?
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TBF he got the opportunity to follow it up...........
..........He fcuked up the opportunity but haha
Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
Ange or otherwise we eventually need to be in the CL semi regular to even have designs on winning the odd cup though. I get the two letter CL are tainted with some because its associated (wrongly in my opinion) with our inability to convert, but in all of football over than the Tim Cup and the Copa Del Ray in their respective country, the majority of trophies in this country by a mile are won by those occupying the top slots in the league.
Our accounts also demonstrate that.
A mix of both will do me, I don't think we are ready to win the league but a cup win and top 4/5 would be utopia for me next season
metalgear
Colin Calderwood
because a new manager deserves time for a proper pre season, especially if we are gunning for CL the following season.
Would you have settled for that under pochettino?
His time was looked at as that team and redknapps should have won a trophy aswell as getting cl football.
Now we'd settle for mid table and a trophy? If we don't win the trophy what then?
No sorry. I want us to be the best team in the world. Bring in the qataris. Bring in ancelotti. Bring in world class players. Bring in true glory years.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
So far the main names linked are Iraola, Thomas Frank, Marco Silva and Francesco Farioli (Ajax).
I think I’d rather take a chance on given the manager who just won us a European cup a chance to build.
metalgear
Colin Calderwood
i would be happy if we are a shoo-in for top four every season. cups are bonus - winning the EPL and CL is the goal. And we've come close on both fronts recently.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
Settle is your word, not mine. I see what I outlined as good progression on the journey to hopefully winning the league one day — even if I’m not sure we ever will.
metalgear
Colin Calderwood
yeah i respect your preference. i just don't think its sensible to continue with a coach that has 2 years of very poor records and worse football to watch.
also, now that we have champions league, i believe that number of candidates would have increased quite a bit, along with our transfer budget
As i said we'd be losing £100m and giving it to forest/Saudi Sportswashing Machine/villa. We wouldn't progress we'd regress. Making it harder to compete with them.
We're already behind them.
Ten Haag situation? The situation where they've gone lower in the league and won diddly squat since he won them the FA Cup against Emirates Marketing Project. Pretty obvious Ten Hag wasnt/isn't the problem at that club....
No what I meant is following the disaster of this season, I would settle for League cup and top 10 next season as I feel it's too much ground to make up to get 4/5/6 next season.
That's just me trying to be realistic but I do agree with the rest of your views
I get it. Just we took so long to get back to being considered one of the big 6 (city and chelsea being doped).
I don't want to go back to being a midtable club. Saudi Sportswashing Machine, villa and forest are now being doped.
Utd are in trouble. As big as they are they have a massive job on their hands trying to stay afloat financially. Will have to sell players just to balance the books. Which will be difficult the wages they are on.
If the clubs coming up decide to really go for it and are smart. Next season could be very competitive.
glasgowspur
Chris Jones
That IMHO is a good level to be aiming at for next season if the football improves.
I've seen some levels of expectations that I think are only setting us up to fail.
Top four and CL qf. That's before a ball is kicked or we know our transfer business.
We can achieve those, but they should not be seen as minimum requirements.
It's not expectation. It's ambition. Which for the resources we have spent under ange compared to other clubs should be achievable.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
2 years of very poor records??? Honestly mate…he’s finished 5th and won a European trophy! Your expectations are outrageous, and none of the managers I’ve mentioned have ever achieved either of those things.
glasgowspur
Chris Jones
I keep seeing this about the CL.
Yes it the top teams I Europe in it.
It also has a lot of dross.
36 teams, only a handful at the very best can be expected to win it.
City and Real Madrid are usually favourites, so when they win it does it demeanor their achievement?
glasgowspur
Chris Jones
Would be progress next season along with a cup I said.
Would you not accept 10th and winning the CL, it's a cup competition after all.
Robspur12
Jimmy Neighbour
I predicted, before the game last week, that the Euphoria that stemmed from a win would understandably cloud the judgement on Ange. I didn't exactly have to be Nostradamus either. I have softened on Ange since Wednesday. I have seen some humility from him and the love that his players feel for him. Also impressed how he has supported a number of players such as Biss and Johnson who became whipping boys for the anger with this season's league performances.
It's difficult for the club to sack him without heaping pressure on his successor. The context around the trophy win will not matter to most fans.
But when the joy has died down logically there are still questions that have not been answered
1) He has won a trophy and good on him. But there were specific circumstances around that - he was able to focus on it, forgetting the league entirely and protecting his preferred defence for multiple games. I doubt he will be able to replicate those circumstances next season nor will he be cut the same slack. Especially if Paratici replaces Munn as is widely expected.
2) He played a certain way in the Europa League knock outs that is not his preferred style because his back was up against the wall. On the one hand that shows pragmatism, but we know he favours his attacking playing style. Can he fine tune it? Unfortunately he hasn't really succeeded in doing that over the last 2 seasons. And that is a worry for me. I don't necessarily see this as an Alex Ferguson moment.
3) Can he cope with playing in multiple tournaments, the injuries that that will entail, and ensure the players coming in will adapt to his preferred style? We know he hasn't done that well this season.
This season has been an anomaly so it's very difficult to make a decision about Ange's future. But I suspect once the league starts and he has to once again focus on multiple priorities, we will see the same issues arising. My preference is for him to go now by mutual consent, head held high and we bring in a different coach now rather than midway through next season. But I think he will stay. I am less annoyed by that than I would have been before this week.
It's difficult for the club to sack him without heaping pressure on his successor. The context around the trophy win will not matter to most fans.
But when the joy has died down logically there are still questions that have not been answered
1) He has won a trophy and good on him. But there were specific circumstances around that - he was able to focus on it, forgetting the league entirely and protecting his preferred defence for multiple games. I doubt he will be able to replicate those circumstances next season nor will he be cut the same slack. Especially if Paratici replaces Munn as is widely expected.
2) He played a certain way in the Europa League knock outs that is not his preferred style because his back was up against the wall. On the one hand that shows pragmatism, but we know he favours his attacking playing style. Can he fine tune it? Unfortunately he hasn't really succeeded in doing that over the last 2 seasons. And that is a worry for me. I don't necessarily see this as an Alex Ferguson moment.
3) Can he cope with playing in multiple tournaments, the injuries that that will entail, and ensure the players coming in will adapt to his preferred style? We know he hasn't done that well this season.
This season has been an anomaly so it's very difficult to make a decision about Ange's future. But I suspect once the league starts and he has to once again focus on multiple priorities, we will see the same issues arising. My preference is for him to go now by mutual consent, head held high and we bring in a different coach now rather than midway through next season. But I think he will stay. I am less annoyed by that than I would have been before this week.
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NYSpur
Øyvind Leonhardsen
You never stop learning. I get that we are all euphoric at a trophy. But I find it incomprehensible that an apparently large number of supporters are now suffering from amnesia. I have watched every game for the last two years. I do not see how anyone looking at our performances can see a progression in a direction that sustained success is over the horizon. We play Angeball and always look like conceding. See, record number of defeats this season and form after league game 10 last season.
But he won a trophy… As others have pointed out, so did Ramos and Ten Haag. Has Ange earned the right to another year? I could understand that sentiment more if we had overwhelmed United with a display of dominance to vindicate Angeball. But the reality was an eked out desperate defensive display.
Look I would have loved Ange to be the guy. I would have loved Ossie to have been a success. But the reality,imho, is that we can do better with a different coach who knows how to defend without sacrificing our ability to attack or vice versa.
In my view it will be a sad state of affairs if we squander our current enhanced status by backing the wrong guy. But I couldn’t understand the attraction of Brexit or Trump so what do I know
But he won a trophy… As others have pointed out, so did Ramos and Ten Haag. Has Ange earned the right to another year? I could understand that sentiment more if we had overwhelmed United with a display of dominance to vindicate Angeball. But the reality was an eked out desperate defensive display.
Look I would have loved Ange to be the guy. I would have loved Ossie to have been a success. But the reality,imho, is that we can do better with a different coach who knows how to defend without sacrificing our ability to attack or vice versa.
In my view it will be a sad state of affairs if we squander our current enhanced status by backing the wrong guy. But I couldn’t understand the attraction of Brexit or Trump so what do I know