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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 85 73.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 31 26.7%
  • Total voters
    116
Bedfordspurs said:
The correlation is as soon as anything negative happens it’s because:
He is fat Aussie clown shoe
He has never managed at this level
Daniel levy is an evil dwarf
ENIC out
Our manager is a fraud
The club is poison
The mentality is weak
We lack leaders
Ange can’t look at a camera
We pay the highest ticket fees in the galaxy so we should have better
We can only play one way

I’m sure there are a million other ones to add

What I do know is if we were to sack Ange one of the first things the new manager would be saying is we are rebuilding and it takes time
But as long as it’s a new guy the perception is better.
It’s all a bit odd to me but I’m sure if that happened with the said currently we would be back in the same position in 18 months time
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I do agree with you in many ways but you did say we couldn't judge Ange until 10-15 games into the season. We're now 14 games in and seeing a lot of the same trends we saw for the last 28 games of last season (both in terms of results and performances). Are you more worried now than you were at the start of the season?
 
Seen the videos doing the rounds of the stick he got from the away fans after the final whistle. Its starting to turn bad for him

It could get nasty on Sunday if we get a good hiding
 
SpurMeUp said:
Possession based attacking football. Like this is some kid of revelation?

I like the way we aspire to move the ball quickly with one touch quick passing. And see us as being far closer to the top teams now, than we have been, albeit we have issues with rotation and keeping the quality up. More to do.
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I rarely see those type of performances. I see us coming out, looking lacklustre for the first half, often conceding first, and occasionally raising our level to play better in the second. It's been like that for a year now. I rarely see Angeball - whatever that is supposed to be.
Bedfordspurs said:
What I do know is if we were to sack Ange one of the first things the new manager would be saying is we are rebuilding and it takes time
But as long as it’s a new guy the perception is better.
It’s all a bit odd to me but I’m sure if that happened with the said currently we would be back in the same position in 18 months time
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And the reason we will be back in the same position is because we don't back our managers properly. As Shearer said on commentary last night when discussing us, good players will perform at a high level 5 or 6 times out of 10. Excellent players will perform at that level 9 or 10 times out of 10.

We are stocked with good players, but very few excellent ones (have we really got any?). That, really, is who we are, mate.
Bedfordspurs said:
Bournemouth are a very good side
Well coached and very fit
They may not have amazing individuals but they know their job
Just like Fulham
Both sides who can and do beat teams that people think are better than them
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Ipswich at home? Palace?
 
DaveT316 said:
Yes of course. They’re decent, well oiled teams that will punish you if you drop so much as 5% in performance levels.

Another question - Iraola has been there as long as Ange. Why are Bournemouth performing more consistently than us?
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I think there are a few reasons on that. I think us selling Kane a day before the season harmed us longer term, took as 12 months to sign Solanke, where as Bournemouth sold us Solanke and went a long wat to replacing him with a really high level operator, so their joined up thinking aids their progress where as we seem to make mistakes that harm our progress. That is just one example but I think its key to hurting up.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I think this bit is very, very important.

Throughout our history, we've never been an elite club in England. We've won the league twice in almost 150 years. If people's expectations are that we challenge the top clubs then you do need massive change in the dugout and the boardroom IMO. If you expect that we'll be what we've always been, Ange deserves more time.

10th or worse isn't really acceptable if that's where we finish unless he wins a cup. He is underachieving a bit at the moment. But, for me, not to the level where he should be sacked.
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Personally, and I realise that not everyone feels this way, I'd rather be us than Chelsea or city.
there are only two ways we are going to challenge utd and Liverpool or even arsenal and that is by cheating a la Chelsea and city or building something and being smart like arsenal did with wenger. I want the latter.
Anything Chelsea and city win is tainted imv, I'd prefer not to go that way.
Levy and his idea that at some point the game will level out in regards to money is looking to be very laudable but unlikely.
Too many people making too much money in too many dodgy ways for it to change now.
 
glasgowspur said:
Personally, and I realise that not everyone feels this way, I'd rather be us than Chelsea or city.
there are only two ways we are going to challenge utd and Liverpool or even arsenal and that is by cheating a la Chelsea and city or building something and being smart like arsenal did with wenger. I want the latter.
Anything Chelsea and city win is tainted imv, I'd prefer not to go that way.
Levy and his idea that at some point the game will level out in regards to money is looking to be very laudable but unlikely.
Too many people making too much money in too many dodgy ways for it to change now.
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No way it changes. The only thing that might alter it imo is a financial crash within the game - and that is unlikely (although not impossible).
 
Mikey10 said:
I rarely see those type of performances. I see us coming out, looking lacklustre for the first half, often conceding first, and occasionally raising our level to play better in the second. It's been like that for a year now. I rarely see Angeball - whatever that is supposed to be.

And the reason we will be back in the same position is because we don't back our managers properly. As Shearer said on commentary last night when discussing us, good players will perform at a high level 5 or 6 times out of 10. Excellent players will perform at that level 9 or 10 times out of 10.

We are stocked with good players, but very few excellent ones (have we really got any?). That, really, is who we are, mate.

Ipswich at home? Palace?
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This is Angeball, by definition, it’s how we have played for a year, so it must be intentional.
 
glasgowspur said:
Personally, and I realise that not everyone feels this way, I'd rather be us than Chelsea or city.
there are only two ways we are going to challenge utd and Liverpool or even arsenal and that is by cheating a la Chelsea and city or building something and being smart like arsenal did with wenger. I want the latter.
Anything Chelsea and city win is tainted imv, I'd prefer not to go that way.
Levy and his idea that at some point the game will level out in regards to money is looking to be very laudable but unlikely.
Too many people making too much money in too many dodgy ways for it to change now.
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I don't even know if it's really possible to do here what Wenger did at Arsenal. For a start, relatively speaking, they paid wages close to top dollar in England. We don't. Secondly, City and Chelsea changed the landscape and even Wenger couldn't compete with them.

As it stands, I can't see us really competing consistently without a change in the boardroom and that, in itself, is fraught with risk because only a handful of prospective owners can take us forward. Also, Levy's view is laudable but people with money always seem to be able to get around the rules that apply to the rest.

That leaves us being what we've always been. Somewhere between mid table and top 4. The advent of social media has probably raised frustrations because we all take stick for "not being the best team" and some people seem to struggle to take that. But we never were and, without change and a lot of good fortune, we never will be.
 
Mikey10 said:
I rarely see those type of performances. I see us coming out, looking lacklustre for the first half, often conceding first, and occasionally raising our level to play better in the second. It's been like that for a year now. I rarely see Angeball - whatever that is supposed to be.
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The City game. And maybe you aren’t making allowances for Dragusin and Davies. They’ve done well but it affects our ability to play out and if we can play a high line with conviction.
Mikey10 said:
And the reason we will be back in the same position is because we don't back our managers properly.
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Yet you want to get rid of a manager who’s maybe half way through developing his squad and play.
Mikey10 said:
As Shearer said on commentary last night when discussing us, good players will perform at a high level 5 or 6 times out of 10. Excellent players will perform at that level 9 or 10 times out of 10.

We are stocked with good players, but very few excellent ones (have we really got any?). That, really, is who we are, mate.

Ipswich at home? Palace?
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Ultimately, there is a way of playing. Ange doesn’t chop and change. There is a clear vision. If you accept that it takes time to build and implement; and that this way of playing has brought oodles of trophies for the likes of City, then you can accept we need to give time and space to see it through.
 
It's stick for me. Remainder of this season, summer transfer window (expectations may need to be tempered for this January's window), and then see how we go. Ideally until the end of next season but we need to see the system gelling, a squad of players being able to sustain the system, and hopefully some of the young prospects getting the chance to grow into their roles and show why they were bought or elevated from the academy.
What does worry me is Ange, being a man of principle, walking away if he's not getting the support he needs. And I don't necessarily mean in terms of buying players, he already knows more of the score on that front than we do. I mean support from the players themselves, and critically, from the fans. He does have his own role to play in this of course but he was bought in to rebuild, so he needs to be given the chance to do just that, even if at times we are taking two steps back for every one step forward.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I do agree with you in many ways but you did say we couldn't judge Ange until 10-15 games into the season. We're now 14 games in and seeing a lot of the same trends we saw for the last 28 games of last season (both in terms of results and performances). Are you more worried now than you were at the start of the season?
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The same trends have occurred results sod sand injuries wise
I’m gonna assume the two are linked
I’m worried because our fans base turn quickly
People will say fans haven’t sacked managers but the reaction to this game is quite grim… pretty much like the performance by sounds of it
So it becomes a storm
We shall see what happens
I don’t see another manager coming in a dn fixing the issues Without more work being done on the rebuild
 
DaveT316 said:
Yes of course. They’re decent, well oiled teams that will punish you if you drop so much as 5% in performance levels.

Another question - Iraola has been there as long as Ange. Why are Bournemouth performing more consistently than us?
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They aren’t.
They are inconsistent too
They have great home form having beaten city, arsenal and us though
But after beating city they lost their next two games
The whole league this year is scattergun as the lesser sides (in people’s opinion) have stabilised and built
The better sides have dropped a level (5%) and it compacts everything
 
Mikey10 said:
I rarely see those type of performances. I see us coming out, looking lacklustre for the first half, often conceding first, and occasionally raising our level to play better in the second. It's been like that for a year now. I rarely see Angeball - whatever that is supposed to be.

And the reason we will be back in the same position is because we don't back our managers properly. As Shearer said on commentary last night when discussing us, good players will perform at a high level 5 or 6 times out of 10. Excellent players will perform at that level 9 or 10 times out of 10.

We are stocked with good players, but very few excellent ones (have we really got any?). That, really, is who we are, mate.

Ipswich at home? Palace?
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Yep
Both games after Europe
I’ve covered that before
We have lost, deservedly to those two sides and they aren’t good. But they did have all week to prep for our game
 
Glenda's Legs said:
It's stick for me. Remainder of this season, summer transfer window (expectations may need to be tempered for this January's window), and then see how we go. Ideally until the end of next season but we need to see the system gelling, a squad of players being able to sustain the system, and hopefully some of the young prospects getting the chance to grow into their roles and show why they were bought or elevated from the academy.
What does worry me is Ange, being a man of principle, walking away if he's not getting the support he needs. And I don't necessarily mean in terms of buying players, he already knows more of the score on that front than we do. I mean support from the players themselves, and critically, from the fans. He does have his own role to play in this of course but he was bought in to rebuild, so he needs to be given the chance to do just that, even if at times we are taking two steps back for every one step forward.
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He won’t walk away
His principles are key for why he wouldn’t do that imo
And he wouldn’t be able to get a bigger or better role
Don’t forget he is a fraud and out of his depth
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The same trends have occurred results sod sand injuries wise
I’m gonna assume the two are linked
I’m worried because our fans base turn quickly
People will say fans haven’t sacked managers but the reaction to this game is quite grim… pretty much like the performance by sounds of it
So it becomes a storm
We shall see what happens
I don’t see another manager coming in a dn fixing the issues Without more work being done on the rebuild
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Never understood people on here saying fans don't sack the manager, of course they do. I don't think Levy is looking to pull the trigger at this stage at all - but once the atmosphere in the stadium gets toxic again and the personal insults to Ange intensify then it is inevitable he is going to get the sack even if Levy wants to give him more time, his position just becomes untenable.....
 
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