Ange in or out?

[Danishfurniturelover]

This. I’d booked it weeks ago and had arranged to meet up with a mate. I missed something quite important at home that came up at short notice to go yesterday as I’d already paid and didn’t want to abandon my mate.

I was very, very disappointed with the performance. It’s not how top clubs behave IMO. I couldn’t even stomach staying at the end. Of course it’s not the most important match in the world but every time we go out on that pitch we should be making a serious effort to win and we should be trying to win regardless of the importance of the game.

On Ange, I’m absolutely torn. I’ve little faith in him yet I could understand Levy giving him more time. Feel a bit of dread about the whole situation to be honest.

If he gives him anymore time we are in a relegation battle next season. The correct and right thing is to get him gone now.

This is not about flimflam things like loyalty this is about protecting your asset. We might not be as lucky next season as we have been this season.

How some fans can back him is beyond comprehension to me. His record is appalling we are appalling to watch even in the final that has seemingly made some fans lose all sense of reasoning we were awful.

We will be sacking him next season anyway so why not do it now to give the new man or woman a proper chance.

 

[Muttley]

I agree , was just more as a club you back him all in or bin him.

That read like we will see how first part of season goes . In my view that’s just silly as you derail your season instantly. If we start poorly. I think we will . It’s the way it’s been trending.

Oh well. Time will tell. I’d rather see him gone.

I'm expecting a November checkpoint. I think you have a data point at that stage how next season is looking.

Of course, the longer it gets to the end of season the more there will be Poch talk.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I’m not sure why people are expecting an announcement as to Ange in or Ange out.
If the club are happy to stay with Ange then I don’t expect any announcement as it’s BAU.
If he’s leaving then of course there will be an announcement.

Surely he needs a contract extension to stay? Surely it has to be an active decision one way or the other?

 

[Gutter Boy]

Do you think he has got that though?

So many fans like me are seeing the contradiction and the constant change in narrative. The longer he stays, the harder it gets for Ange to keep the spin doctoring going. In the next phase, he needs to show some authenticity, even if he doesn't seem to do humility very well.

I can imagine a scenario where fans like me would have a slightly different perception of the man if we hadn't have watched so many pressers. The Brighton post match presser was another really poor one from Ange.

Some happy clappers are still nudged enough to brush off our worst league season since 1912

 

[Mikey10]

Surely he needs a contract extension to stay? Surely it has to be an active decision one way or the other?

There’s no chance of a contract extension surely? Levy is not going to create a situation in which a potential payout gets larger.

 

[Muttley]

There’s no chance of a contract extension surely? Levy is not going to create a situation in which a potential payout gets larger.

He's 2 years into a 4 year contract from memory. I would expect any contract extension to be handed out after year 3.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Surely he needs a contract extension to stay? Surely it has to be an active decision one way or the other?

Come on, that really would be stupid. Even if the club come down on the side of keeping him, that would be done in the knowledge and with im sure the contingency planning in place for an early sacking if next season starts as this one has ended....youre not gong to pile on the compo you have to pay out in that circumstance ...

 

[El Dante]

I’m not sure why people are expecting an announcement as to Ange in or Ange out.
If the club are happy to stay with Ange then I don’t expect any announcement as it’s BAU.
If he’s leaving then of course there will be an announcement.

Because there’s a lot of uncertainty and it will affect the club’s profile and image potentially. Plus it may impact on future signings if the player doesn’t know if the manager is coming or going. If there hadn’t been so much noise about it in the media then maybe nothing would be needed but as it is, it could just take Levy making a statement to close the season, wish the supporters well and thank for the support, similar to the program notes but actually make a comment about Ange too.

 

[Nexus1967]

100% he has to go. Its obviously great to win the Europa league, but lets face facts, if we had been up against any othe prem team in the final apart from Man u and maybe the bottom 3 clubs I wouldn't have fancied our chances. Apart from a few exceptional games in the last 2 seasons we have been very poor. I don't think our current squad is good enough to challenge for the top 4 but with a decent manager we should be above teams like Bournemouth, Fulham ,Brighton and Brentford to name a few. No way are their squads better than ours but their managers are better. Thats why they look organised and can play some decent football. With the players we have we should definately be in the top 8. For the good of the club he really needs to go

 

[Lilbaz]

Because there’s a lot of uncertainty and it will affect the club’s profile and image potentially. Plus it may impact on future signings if the player doesn’t know if the manager is coming or going. If there hadn’t been so much noise about it in the media then maybe nothing would be needed but as it is, it could just take Levy making a statement to close the season, wish the supporters well and thank for the support, similar to the program notes but actually make a comment about Ange too.

If he's staying no announcement. Just pretend they were never about to sack him in the first place.
Whatever they would say would be twisted to suit an agenda. So don't say anything.
The royal family are a great example.

 

[glasgowspur]

Come on, that really would be stupid. Even if the club come down on the side of keeping him, that would be done in the knowledge and with im sure the contingency planning in place for an early sacking if next season starts as this one has ended....youre not gong to pile on the compo you have to pay out in that circumstance ...

Of course it's stupid, GB is stirring it.

 

[balesleftboot]

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I read this earlier and had to digest the league vs cup dynamic.

For me, it's about how you get your fix. Take the example that you're at home on a Sunday afternoon and Spurs are the live game. You know that winning will give you a lift, and losing will have the opposite effect. You want to sit down with your Sunday roast, be entertained and win. Worst case is that you know the team have been setup well, but lost on the day to the better team. Losing is part of the game, but at the size of club we are there should be way more good days than bad.

Then you take midweek evenings when those UEFA or league cup games mostly appear, at least before Xmas. Those cup games have a different flavour to them. So does the FA cup weekend games in the new year and the knockout phases. More and more dopamine when things go well.

I think it is fair to say that for the last 15 years we've been tuned in on having weekend and midweek football. We manage our fixes on 2 games a week and when the league side of the house sucks, it will have an impact on the fan mood. You can't just fix it with 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 etc great cup games. It doesn't balance against the amount of league fixtures in normal times. I'm noticing for some that the single trophy has though and mostly because of the 17 year gap rather than anything else. I'm waking up every day thinking about it, not to mention several times a day as I go about my daily business.

So therein lies the problem. Spurs can no longer exist as just a cup side. They can't even just exists as a side that won the EL in the 24/25 season. The demand for more just grows. I can also promise everyone that Levy won't settle for the single trophy either. His financial model wasn't built on one cup success. That's a given.

Thh you make some good points and hard to disagree with this.

I was at the live screening of the final at the stadium and the buzz and emotion of the night was unreal and unforgettable. The sort of night that defines the absolute high of being a football fan imo but that's easy for me to say as someone who only goes to a handful of games a season these days. I used to be a season ticket holder and If I was still having to sit through the dross that 80% of our games have been this season then maybe I'd feel different.

My favourite teams to watch were the Redknapp years and in particular Poch 2015-2017. Genuinely good sides that performed consistently. Unfortunately neither could quite get over the line smd the mocking from other fans continued. Teams that we were better than at the time but they were still managing to pick up silverware and we didn't because we are 'Spurs.y'

We have the trophy now so those comments can stop.ans yes we want to be a consistent team that challenges in the league.

I'm not as sure as some that Ange is incapable of that I suppose.

 

[Eriktheviking]

there are many reasons for and against Ange in or out - any conclusion is valid. Rather than the talk of Ange, this needs to be handed back to Levy, is he gonna back the club to play on two fronts - the PL and CL - with a squad which reflects that.

If he isn’t, thank him and show him out now.

 

[Lilbaz]

there are many reasons for and against Ange in or out - any conclusion is valid. Rather than the talk of Ange, this needs to be handed back to Levy, is he gonna back the club to play on two fronts - the PL and CL - with a squad which reflects that.

If he isn’t, thank him and show him out now.

Levys wealth is spurs. We have maxed our credit. His hands are tied.

So yes i'd love new owners. But i want a whole new manager coaches and mentality.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Levys wealth is spurs. We have maxed our credit. His hands are tied.

So yes i'd love new owners. But i want a whole new manager coaches and mentality.

Owners can't really bank-roll a club anymore. Not like Mansour or Abramovich did anyway. Look at Saudi Sportswashing Machine. They've invested more wisely but necessarily a huge amount more. The limit of what owners can pump into Spurs has been pretty much what ENIC have been pumping in recently, they provided the club a £150 million facility which was used to buy Richarlison, Bissouma, Udogie and Porro while the club were still recovering from Covid financially.

 

[Lilbaz]

Owners can't really bank-roll a club anymore. Not like Mansour or Abramovich did anyway. Look at Saudi Sportswashing Machine. They've invested more wisely but necessarily a huge amount more. The limit of what owners can pump into Spurs has been pretty much what ENIC have been pumping in recently, they provided the club a £150 million facility which was used to buy Richarlison, Bissouma, Udogie and Porro while the club were still recovering from Covid financially.

They can pump money. Just not directly. They can do deals to buy youth players for exorbitant sums. Sell players at inflated prices while giving back in other ways. They can have companies they own sponsor them, for "market rates" but when there are thousands of them it's not market anymore.

City getting more from commercial than real madrid the last 5 years are you bricking me?

Other clubs they own sharing debt.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

They can pump money. Just not directly. They can do deals to buy youth players for exorbitant sums. Sell players at inflated prices while giving back in other ways. They can have companies they own sponsor them, for "market rates" but when there are thousands of them it's not market anymore.

City getting more from commercial than real madrid the last 5 years are you bricking me?

Other clubs they own sharing debt.

No, they can't do all that. Yes, City are getting more from commercial than Real Madrid. They're also facing 115 charges of breaching FA rules and possible expulsion from the PL, or default relegation by virtue of the relevant points deduction.

 

[thfcsteff]

Because out of those 4 only Bergvall is showing signs of improving - Gray & Udogie are getting regular games but not looking better than when they came in to the team and Moore has barely played so there's no saying one way or the other with him.

Gray was brilliant for large parts of the hard times during our worst injury spell. He was then given some breathing space. Unless you watched him diligently at Leeds, you have watched a young player thrown into a deep ended pool and shown they can both swim and be trusted. Some of that had to come down to the coaching staff and, by proxy, the manager. Udogie has been near;y back to his best after an injury-interrupted season. Moore played much more than a 16/17 year old who had not even played for the U-21s could've been expected to. He has undergone some serious fast-track development. We will see the benefits of this in the next couple of seasons.

 

[Baleforce]

I thought Gray was exceptional at CB, ok at FB and pretty much lost in CM.

I think long term he’s a centre back.

 

[thfcsteff]

I thought Gray was exceptional at CB, ok at FB and pretty much lost in CM.

I think long term he’s a centre back.

His read was excellent for a player so young. Ironically, Ithought the first 45 mins yesterday was his best midfield performance to date. But I agree, long-term he would be an excellent CB.