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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 77 45.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 93 54.7%
  • Total voters
    170
DeanoAustin said:
Cannot agree with this at all. Conte won the league. He's an elite football manager, one of the best in the world.

The problem with Conte, IMO, is he has a very limited shelf life. By all accounts, he is just too intense and players stop listening after a while. Think Lloris said something like that in his book.

When you look at his record here, he did incredibly well to get us 4th first year and had us 4th when he combusted. I guess the context there is that we had played more than everyone else so 4th was kind of false but, on the flip side, he had a hell of a lot to deal with that year (healthwise and personally). He certainly had us in a much better position than we're currently in.

I lost a lot of respect for Conte because of how he conducted himself at the end. However, I believe he is one of the best at what he does.
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So what do you think of the equivalent Chelsea meltdown? What was his excuse for it all coming crashing down there so quickly? He had everything set up for him to make Chelsea a multi-season force. Couldn't even get a CL place after inheriting Jose's side and winning the league.

When Conte is overseas, he just doesn't strike me as someone that prospers. He's too conditioned to the only football culture he knows.
 
Muttley said:
So what do you think of the equivalent Chelsea meltdown? What was his excuse for it all coming crashing down there so quickly? He had everything set up for him to make Chelsea a multi-season force. Couldn't even get a CL place after inheriting Jose's side and winning the league.

When Conte is overseas, he just doesn't strike me as someone that prospers. He's too conditioned to the only football culture he knows.
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Won the league and cup in his two seasons. And he finished 5th on 70 points in his second season so hardly an unmitigated disaster. You can't say he doesn't cut it in the PL with his track record. He more than cuts it but for a limited period of time.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Won the league and cup in his two seasons. And he finished 5th on 70 points in his second season so hardly an unmitigated disaster. You can't say he doesn't cut it in the PL with his track record. He more than cuts it but for a limited period of time.
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Ditto, you can't say he would have had continued success. He got sacked from both jobs for a reason.

I'm not going to be a hypocrite though. I was quite excited when he joined. Then you see these people close up at your club and your thinking evolves. The Perisic thing made me massive question his judgment. I can understand how a fantastic player could adapt as a wing-back in a decent Inter side on their way to winning the league. Serie A is a slow pace. For that player to come to the PL and play LWB was never going to work. Perisic got owned in that position. Ditto watching what happened when Bentancur got injured. We fell apart in midfield as we were always going to without his legs around Hojbjerg. It was hard enough for any 2 of our midfielders to cope with wing-backs wide, and the 3 up front either not bothering to help defend (Kane) or not having the football brain (Son and Moura) to be in the right position. Conte just played rope-a-dope. You just hoped that it would be nil-nil at half time as our attackers had conserved so much energy in the first halves. It wasn't what he could do with Jose's Chelsea squad or the one he had left in Italy. They could properly own games.

Perhaps Conte will come back to the PL for a 3rd bet. If he lasts less than 2 years, I'll be nudging you :cool:
 
mudshark said:
After a lifetime of supporting this team, I've been finding myself less and less emotionally invested with every passing month. It's a feeling that had been growing with every season since Pochettino was sacked, and I had attributed it mainly to two things - 1) increasing dissatisfaction with Levy, his chairmanship and his corporatisation project, and 2) the dead hand of VAR systematically sucking all the joy and spontaneity out of the game - but the feeling of disengagement has intensified dramatically this season, and that can only be because of Postecoglou. Out, out, out, and regardless of results in the Europa League, even if he were somehow to fluke his way to winning it (which is not going to happen, but I wouldn't care one iota if it did).
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Same here. Although Point 1 has not been an issue to me
Point 2 was the beginning of the demise for me. One of the highlights of a football game is that joy and emotion when the ball hits the back of the net for your team - that has been taken away from us as you are having to wonder if VAR will intervene

Now the continuing tenure of Postecoglou has brought me to the point where I still watch every game but am becoming less and less bothered with the whole process, I currently dont have confidence we can beat anyone, if we do its actually a bonus now

I posted I would not be going another game while AP was in charge but I naively booked tickets for the Soton ages ago stupidly thinking he would be sacked by then and a new face in charge

I have contemplated returning to watch live rugby league again, but to be honest Warrington are no better than Tottenham!!
 
tommysvr said:
I’m just not sure what more a manager has to achieve to be considered capable of managing a team?

You may think he’s not good enough for Spurs or any other Premier League team. But there is a lot of room between that and “clueless,” “the wrong temperament to be a manager” and all the other mud that gets slung his way.
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Win more, lose less.
It really is that simple.
 
paxtonwolf said:
Same here. Although Point 1 has not been an issue to me
Point 2 was the beginning of the demise for me. One of the highlights of a football game is that joy and emotion when the ball hits the back of the net for your team - that has been taken away from us as you are having to wonder if VAR will intervene

Now the continuing tenure of Postecoglou has brought me to the point where I still watch every game but am becoming less and less bothered with the whole process, I currently dont have confidence we can beat anyone, if we do its actually a bonus now

I posted I would not be going another game while AP was in charge but I naively booked tickets for the Soton ages ago stupidly thinking he would be sacked by then and a new face in charge

I have contemplated returning to watch live rugby league again, but to be honest Warrington are no better than Tottenham!!
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I feel the same. Interesting that it’s been a subject of discussion on both Last Word on Spurs and The Fighting C ock podcasts this week. It’s a pretty widespread malaise at the minute, I think.
 
tommysvr said:
I was replying to a comment that said his reaction “shows someone with wrong temperament to be a football manager.”

Not a football manager at Spurs. Not a football manager in the Premier League. Not a football manager in England. “A football manager” full stop.
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Yes and I think it was implicit what it meant. No need for a caveat
 
Robspur12 said:
All or nothing is not just on the people who have voted Ange out! Have you read some of the posts of those who are still Ange in? At the end of the day, I believe you can still be objective and hold a position if you can back up that position with real evidence.
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Absolutely! I meant us fans in general, we're often quite reactionary, especially after a match, but we also dig ourselves trenches for our opinions and we fight for them, you know - on both sides! I agree, I was definitely not trying to defend us keeping Ange as our manager (beyond this season, anyway), I've been critical of him since November/December. I just think it's unfair or unnuanced, if that's a word, to say he's clueless and a fraud as a manager, which he clearly isn't.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Cannot agree with this at all. Conte won the league. He's an elite football manager, one of the best in the world.

The problem with Conte, IMO, is he has a very limited shelf life. By all accounts, he is just too intense and players stop listening after a while. Think Lloris said something like that in his book.

When you look at his record here, he did incredibly well to get us 4th first year and had us 4th when he combusted. I guess the context there is that we had played more than everyone else so 4th was kind of false but, on the flip side, he had a hell of a lot to deal with that year (healthwise and personally). He certainly had us in a much better position than we're currently in.

I lost a lot of respect for Conte because of how he conducted himself at the end. However, I believe he is one of the best at what he does.
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Agree with that, i think some fans seem to forget that Conte lost a couple of good friends and also had emergency surgery and was affected by that during his time here.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Won the league and cup in his two seasons. And he finished 5th on 70 points in his second season so hardly an unmitigated disaster. You can't say he doesn't cut it in the PL with his track record. He more than cuts it but for a limited period of time.
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He wins things
He is a clam
The two can go hand in hand
He was flying back in Italy but his team have folded with lots of draws,so wonder who he will blame
 
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