Ange in or out?

[Batspur]

Actually I've chatted to a few investors (not particularly those interested in spurs) about this. Concensus of opinion is that Spurs have found more brand exposure and revenue generation from having the "Tottenham Hotspur" brand used in NFL and events broadcasts globally than investors are willing to pay for the naming rights so far. If they ever do a deal for the naming rights it will break the record.

Maybe. I’ve spoken to a few chaps in media and advertising who have said different.

I also used to think when the stadium was first opened we would get 400 million over ten years. But because of our status we would actually only realise around 300 million. We are not Real Madrid. We are not Liverpool. Christ we aren’t even scum. We do not get cl football. Our value is a lot less now than when we should have sold the rights at the beginning. We could have used that money to back a serious manager with serious players. This was around the time of covid when European football was skint and we would have had money to burn and bought players to build a dynasty a la Emirates Marketing Project. But of course we didn’t.

‘Brand awareness’ isn’t money and is not easy to monetise. Do you mean we might sell some more shirts in Ohio and Kansas because they might watch an NFL game at our stadium? Seems pretty tenuous to me.

If i was an ambitious chairman wanting to win things I’d take the actual cash and use that money to raise ‘brand awareness’ by actually winning things. Raise our profile by getting to finals. Being cl regulars.

I was in New York recently. I did see some Spurs merch being worn. But I saw a lot more Liverpool, Arsenal, chelsea and Emirates Marketing Project. Thats just a snap shot and for the record i hardly saw any yanited.

Calling our stadium The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is small beans worldwide. Who cares? I saw James Blunt once at The Water Rats in Kings Cross. Doesn’t mean I’m going to buy their t shirts.

Real money is better than ‘brand awareness’ you earn ‘ brand awareness’ by being best in your field or serious advertising spending.

we aren’t doing either.

 

[Batspur]

Apparently Paratici turned up and said that Spurs had the best set up he'd ever seen. He also said that Levy had the most impressive length he's seen this side of youporn.

We can all play the making claims that can't be disproved game.

No. Apparently Levy is seriously hanging dong. It’s why he got into the tailoring business

 

[Daveeeeeeeed]

Do you reckon we could bribe the refs to give us some decisions? What's the worst that can happen, a fine and relegation?

 

[scaramanga]

Maybe. I’ve spoken to a few chaps in media and advertising who have said different.

"I've asked some people who don't wear socks and have trousers that are scared of their shoes"

Forgive me for relying on the opinions of investers instead.

 

[Batspur]

Furthermore in regard to Naming Rights. We should have done what scum did and realised those funds to also help pay down the debt if they were serious owners and cared about the future of the club.

 

[Batspur]

"I've asked some people who don't wear socks and have trousers that are scared of their shoes"

Forgive me for relying on the opinions of investers instead.

I forgive you. But this is the last time you cheeky scamp.

Edit. Of course it isnt. I will always forgive you. X

 

[DubSpur]

Actually I've chatted to a few investors (not particularly those interested in spurs) about this. Concensus of opinion is that Spurs have found more brand exposure and revenue generation from having the "Tottenham Hotspur" brand used in NFL and events broadcasts globally than investors are willing to pay for the naming rights so far. If they ever do a deal for the naming rights it will break the record.

You're wasting your breath, it's been repeated to him about 100 times at this stage but keeps banging the same drum.

 

[Finney Is Back]

See, that's where I struggle a little with you mate. Arnesen, Comolli, Paratici, when we do use DoF type models, the appointments usually are actually well qualifed/have a reputation.

Is Munn the right guy? right now the answer looks like no, but the dismissal "it's because he's cheap" isn't a viewpoint, it's the same as Ange. There was some perspective beyond salary. What would your viewpoint have been if we had hired Maresca? you think Chelsea bought him because he was cheap? same with their sporting director, the guy was a scout for Brighton, being cheap or well identified or brick hire?

lol…. He was their head of recruitment.

 

[Finney Is Back]

If it had worked out.

We wouldn’t have been “preparing” him in the same way as the dipper medical dept don’t forget.

Also, quite a few other players would have been demanding salary parity, and we’d have had to at least match the 300k a week he got up there.

He didn’t get anything like that amount when signing his first contract up there.

Still, if we’d got Mane we wouldn’t have seen the brilliance of N’Jie….

 

[Finney Is Back]

Apparently Paratici turned up and said that Spurs had the best set up he'd ever seen. He also said that Levy had the most impressive length he's seen this side of youporn.

We can all play the making claims that can't be disproved game.

Even (especially!) Daniel Levy’s wife wouldn’t believe yours!

 

[Gutter Boy]

It is quite interesting that we haven't sold off the stadium naming rights. I wonder if the owners are not selling naming rights as that makes buying the club more attractive? (i.e. they are still available for a new owner to name after one of their own brands)

Naming rights are massively overrated. Remember Arsenal can only command £4m per year. That would barely pay Ben Davies' salary.

At most we'd be lucky to get £10m. So 1/4 of what we get for shirt sponsorship.

 

[Mulletperm]

We were on more points after ten games last season than we are after 23 games this season. Bonkers.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Naming rights are massively overrated. Remember Arsenal can only command £4m per year. That would barely pay Ben Davies' salary.

At most we'd be lucky to get £10m. So 1/4 of what we get for shirt sponsorship.

We had offers of over £15m a year when the stadium first opened (back when Pochettino managed us and we were considered a major club).

 

[Bullet]

We had offers of over £15m a year when the stadium first opened (back when Pochettino managed us and we were considered a major club).

Were they aligned with the Spurs brand, or was it arms manufacturers or tobacco or somesuch?

 

[Baleforce]

We were on more points after ten games last season than we are after 23 games this season. Bonkers.

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Hey Siri, what does getting found out look like?

 

[Kompakted]

We had offers of over £15m a year when the stadium first opened (back when Pochettino managed us and we were considered a major club).

£15m isn't game changing though is it? By comparison we refinanced the stadium and couple of years ago via a new facility with bank of America I believe which probably saved us more than £15m a season and raised £150m.via a facility underwritten by ENIC. So you can see that actually our ability to raise money quickly if necessary kind of dwarfs the figures banded about previously for naming rights. It's a billion dollar brand now. IMO the club did the right thing in holding out.

 

[Raziel]

Naming rights are massively overrated. Remember Arsenal can only command £4m per year. That would barely pay Ben Davies' salary.

At most we'd be lucky to get £10m. So 1/4 of what we get for shirt sponsorship.

Another nothing burger

- 6 teams in the PL (30%) in 2019 had a stadium sponsorship deal
- 4 teams in 2022 had a stadium sponsorship deal

Can't find an article on 2024/25 season and too fudging lazy to manually check each one.

So clearly we aren't the only one and top flight teams in the PL have some perspective (that isn't just ENIC bricking the bed), in addition, it's not even a UK thing because lower league team have a much higher rate of Stadium sponsorship ..

 

[thfcsteff]

With this current iteration of Ange, I'm fairly confident Mason would have a decent chance of having a better win ratio than Ange after 40 games!

The question really becomes if you think Ryan Mason would have a better chance of winning football matches with the current iteration of our squad.
All other discussions are actually not especially the point right now.

 

[Finney Is Back]

£15m isn't game changing though is it? By comparison we refinanced the stadium and couple of years ago via a new facility with bank of America I believe which probably saved us more than £15m a season and raised £150m.via a facility underwritten by ENIC. So you can see that actually our ability to raise money quickly if necessary kind of dwarfs the figures banded about previously for naming rights. It's a billion dollar brand now. IMO the club did the right thing in holding out.

When you cap wages at 45% of turnover you need all the revenue you can get!

What are we now?…. 6 years in? That would be £90m, perhaps just paid off our huge debt (or earning interest sitting ready to pay debt as tranches mature). Or perhaps it could’ve been part used to buy a feeder club and also to set up the world’s best Data department.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Another nothing burger

- 6 teams in the PL (30%) in 2019 had a stadium sponsorship deal
- 4 teams in 2022 had a stadium sponsorship deal

Can't find an article on 2024/25 season and too fudging lazy to manually check each one.

So clearly we aren't the only one and top flight teams in the PL have some perspective (that isn't just ENIC bricking the bed), in addition, it's not even a UK thing because lower league team have a much higher rate of Stadium sponsorship ..

Not many have new stadiums to name (as even Levy himself spoke about when our stadium was being built).