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Andros Townsend
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Gudni Bergsson
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Lord Ouseley said Hodgson’s comments were "not a hanging offence"
http://news.sky.com/story/1155794/hodgson-monkey-joke-should-be-investigated
Hold on a minute....remember "we don't care when you're hanging from a tree"?
If it is not racist, it has racist connotations. It is hardly a massive leap from the words 'hanging from a tree' to the Lynch Laws in America, when black people were routinely found hanging from a tree.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...eful-abuse-Sol-Campbell-gone-long-enough.html
That was a despicable chant but IMHO it wasn't actually racist. But if we are going to say that a reference to hanging is racist well, Lord Kick-It-Out needs to be handing in his notice.
IMHO he's not made a racist remark, neither has Roy. The only clearly racist party here is The Sun newspaper.
Lord Ouseley said Hodgson’s comments were "not a hanging offence"
http://news.sky.com/story/1155794/hodgson-monkey-joke-should-be-investigated
Hold on a minute....remember "we don't care when you're hanging from a tree"?
If it is not racist, it has racist connotations. It is hardly a massive leap from the words 'hanging from a tree' to the Lynch Laws in America, when black people were routinely found hanging from a tree.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...eful-abuse-Sol-Campbell-gone-long-enough.html
That was a despicable chant but IMHO it wasn't actually racist. But if we are going to say that a reference to hanging is racist well, Lord Kick-It-Out needs to be handing in his notice.
IMHO he's not made a racist remark, neither has Roy. The only clearly racist party here is The Sun newspaper.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
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1) It really is a non-event.
2) Hodgson's half time team talks sound ridiculous. It's like his interviews, 50 words to say something he could say in 5 words. Concise this man is not.
3) You have a black player, who you refer to as a monkey. Even if it wasn't in an intentional or racist manner, it's still a very thoughtless thing to say and clearly a player was upset by it because they leaked it.
1) It really is a non-event.
2) Hodgson's half time team talks sound ridiculous. It's like his interviews, 50 words to say something he could say in 5 words. Concise this man is not.
3) You have a black player, who you refer to as a monkey. Even if it wasn't in an intentional or racist manner, it's still a very thoughtless thing to say and clearly a player was upset by it because they leaked it.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
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Can you imagine Alex Ferguson telling a lame joke at half time in an important game still at 0-0.
If anything Hodgson should be sacked for that really.
It would be ridiculous if Hodgson was sacked for a 'racist' incident when he already done much worse in breaking apartheid and playing in South Africa during the ban.
Can you imagine Alex Ferguson telling a lame joke at half time in an important game still at 0-0.
If anything Hodgson should be sacked for that really.
It would be ridiculous if Hodgson was sacked for a 'racist' incident when he already done much worse in breaking apartheid and playing in South Africa during the ban.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
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you realise that your last disclaimer sentence on a topic like this holds no sway on someone like me and others thats been targeted by hatred in the past LOL. Its good you put it there but it doesnt help a topic like this plus it was unecessary as i think you are one of the most anti-racism guys on here anyway
what does that even mean "at some point its the guy who got offended thats to blame"??!!
are you talking about when you deem it unnecessary to get offended? Then you blame the guy whose life you probably know little about for getting offended?
i'll tell you this , everyone can do what they want. you want to make a recist slur, go ahead, you want to make an innocent joke? go ahead. you want to get offended ? by all means. you want to tell people to stop those words? go ahead. you want to make peopl that get offended to chill the **** out? go ahead
fact of the matter is everyone has the right to react how they want to. it just depends what kind of camp you come from. case in point...i'm still waiting for someone from a black ethnic background to come out here and say they are ****ed that someone of another black ethnic back ground took offense to Hudgson jokingly refer to another black professional as a monkey......you have to ask yourself if he would have said it to a white guy. (he probably would have but in this case he didnt . and that is always trouble)
understandably, non black guys are like "you guys. what's the big deal, dont be soooo sensitive man, it was just a joke" which is in actual fact the truth...but i dont understand the outrage directed at the topic and that people might get offended
you should champion this , why should people not be allowed to call a demographic something that might be a bit touchy. you think its fine to so it must be alright...
you realise that your last disclaimer sentence on a topic like this holds no sway on someone like me and others thats been targeted by hatred in the past LOL. Its good you put it there but it doesnt help a topic like this plus it was unecessary as i think you are one of the most anti-racism guys on here anyway
what does that even mean "at some point its the guy who got offended thats to blame"??!!
are you talking about when you deem it unnecessary to get offended? Then you blame the guy whose life you probably know little about for getting offended?
i'll tell you this , everyone can do what they want. you want to make a recist slur, go ahead, you want to make an innocent joke? go ahead. you want to get offended ? by all means. you want to tell people to stop those words? go ahead. you want to make peopl that get offended to chill the **** out? go ahead
fact of the matter is everyone has the right to react how they want to. it just depends what kind of camp you come from. case in point...i'm still waiting for someone from a black ethnic background to come out here and say they are ****ed that someone of another black ethnic back ground took offense to Hudgson jokingly refer to another black professional as a monkey......you have to ask yourself if he would have said it to a white guy. (he probably would have but in this case he didnt . and that is always trouble)
understandably, non black guys are like "you guys. what's the big deal, dont be soooo sensitive man, it was just a joke" which is in actual fact the truth...but i dont understand the outrage directed at the topic and that people might get offended
you should champion this , why should people not be allowed to call a demographic something that might be a bit touchy. you think its fine to so it must be alright...
Papercut
Jermaine Jenas
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First and foremost - it really does smack of the press trying to make a positive (England qualifying for the WC) into a negative. Only a day after they qualified, the press used Andros' gambling punishment as a case study for another gambling issue in footie (pretty much stating that he got off lightly). Andros is in the media spotlight following his POSITIVE appearances so the media are using something topical remain topical but in a NEGATIVE aspect. To summarise; the papers need to sell, they try to keep topics hot (well blow me down, we're discussing it here!) and they suceed...
If all is true... my take...
Roy has managed in many nations and I think he will be culturally aware and IMO will not be as stoopid as to turn out like Alf Garnett at half time.
Did Roy act in a racist way in his ignorance? NO
Was his example/story misguided based on the sensitivity around racial connotations? PERHAPS
The fact this should be shot to the ground was the point where Andros dismissed it - his father is involved with Racism in Footie and I'm sure the lad would have consulted his father before Tweeting.
Who is to blame here? The fecking media, who else...
**** example from Roy though, does he want the players to fall asleep at half time???
First and foremost - it really does smack of the press trying to make a positive (England qualifying for the WC) into a negative. Only a day after they qualified, the press used Andros' gambling punishment as a case study for another gambling issue in footie (pretty much stating that he got off lightly). Andros is in the media spotlight following his POSITIVE appearances so the media are using something topical remain topical but in a NEGATIVE aspect. To summarise; the papers need to sell, they try to keep topics hot (well blow me down, we're discussing it here!) and they suceed...
If all is true... my take...
Roy has managed in many nations and I think he will be culturally aware and IMO will not be as stoopid as to turn out like Alf Garnett at half time.
Did Roy act in a racist way in his ignorance? NO
Was his example/story misguided based on the sensitivity around racial connotations? PERHAPS
The fact this should be shot to the ground was the point where Andros dismissed it - his father is involved with Racism in Footie and I'm sure the lad would have consulted his father before Tweeting.
Who is to blame here? The fecking media, who else...
**** example from Roy though, does he want the players to fall asleep at half time???
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Stephen Kelly
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Oh dear. So so sad the way society has become with this bullshti! It really depresses me, its actually painful to read this sort of thing and i actually feel sorry for those who make this a headline. Ive had enough of this monkey business. Im done.
Oh dear. So so sad the way society has become with this bullshti! It really depresses me, its actually painful to read this sort of thing and i actually feel sorry for those who make this a headline. Ive had enough of this monkey business. Im done.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
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i dont think i have ever said a bad word to you since i have been here as i hold nothing but th utmost respect for what you have done here. but you are completely mad and ignorant to say that
you've basically called anyone that found that offensive stupid and overly sensitive, which i think is some bull****
i dont think i have ever said a bad word to you since i have been here as i hold nothing but th utmost respect for what you have done here. but you are completely mad and ignorant to say that
you've basically called anyone that found that offensive stupid and overly sensitive, which i think is some bull****
Papercut
Jermaine Jenas
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Did it ever move???? (it was meant to)
I can't even remember why I chose it Perhaps I need to get creative...
Oh by the way, as you're on the line - Went to Jamaica Plantations in C0ckfosters (where I first met Edgar Davids) and they have Blackstrap Capsules!!! Didn't buy, need to do some research
Did it ever move???? (it was meant to)
I can't even remember why I chose it
Perhaps I need to get creative...Oh by the way, as you're on the line - Went to Jamaica Plantations in C0ckfosters (where I first met Edgar Davids) and they have Blackstrap Capsules!!! Didn't buy, need to do some research
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
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You're right, my little disclaimer did sound a little bit "I'm not a racist, but..." I'm glad you took it in the way it was intended.
What I mean is that at some point the person who said whatever made someone feel offended did nothing wrong and that if someone felt offended by it that is their problem. What they do about it is up to them and they're of course still free to react and respond however they please. And, like I said, they're of course free to feel offended by whatever they want to. I can't make them feel differently or make them chill out.
I can't make my mind up if this was one of those situations or not, partly because I wasn't there when it was said. To me though, normally I really dislike the kind of non-apologies where people don't apologize for their actions, but rather apologize for any offense that was taken or some bull**** like that. In this case though, that apology was about the only thing that seemed appropriate from Hodgson. That to me says something about where on the scale this incident was. I hope that makes sense...
Just to be clear about the situation that I'm going to champion (), Hodgson wasn't talking about a demographic. He was talking about an individual.
you realise that your last disclaimer sentence on a topic like this holds no sway on someone like me and others thats been targeted by hatred in the past LOL. Its good you put it there but it doesnt help a topic like this plus it was unecessary as i think you are one of the most anti-racism guys on here anyway
what does that even mean "at some point its the guy who got offended thats to blame"??!!
are you talking about when you deem it unnecessary to get offended? Then you blame the guy whose life you probably know little about for getting offended?
i'll tell you this , everyone can do what they want. you want to make a recist slur, go ahead, you want to make an innocent joke? go ahead. you want to get offended ? by all means. you want to tell people to stop those words? go ahead. you want to make peopl that get offended to chill the **** out? go ahead
fact of the matter is everyone has the right to react how they want to. it just depends what kind of camp you come from. case in point...i'm still waiting for someone from a black ethnic background to come out here and say they are ****ed that someone of another black ethnic back ground took offense to Hudgson jokingly refer to another black professional as a monkey......you have to ask yourself if he would have said it to a white guy. (he probably would have but in this case he didnt . and that is always trouble)
understandably, non black guys are like "you guys. what's the big deal, dont be soooo sensitive man, it was just a joke" which is in actual fact the truth...but i dont understand the outrage directed at the topic and that people might get offended
you should champion this , why should people not be allowed to call a demographic something that might be a bit touchy. you think its fine to so it must be alright...
You're right, my little disclaimer did sound a little bit "I'm not a racist, but..." I'm glad you took it in the way it was intended.
What I mean is that at some point the person who said whatever made someone feel offended did nothing wrong and that if someone felt offended by it that is their problem. What they do about it is up to them and they're of course still free to react and respond however they please. And, like I said, they're of course free to feel offended by whatever they want to. I can't make them feel differently or make them chill out.
I can't make my mind up if this was one of those situations or not, partly because I wasn't there when it was said. To me though, normally I really dislike the kind of non-apologies where people don't apologize for their actions, but rather apologize for any offense that was taken or some bull**** like that. In this case though, that apology was about the only thing that seemed appropriate from Hodgson. That to me says something about where on the scale this incident was. I hope that makes sense...
Just to be clear about the situation that I'm going to champion (
), Hodgson wasn't talking about a demographic. He was talking about an individual.Re: Official - Townsend
I'm not basically saying it I AM saying it. Anyone who finds a joke about an animal in space offensive quite frankly is an idiot. Either that or they're trying to kick up a fuss over nothing. If that's offensive then so is why did the hedgehog etc unreal tbh.
I'm not basically saying it I AM saying it. Anyone who finds a joke about an animal in space offensive quite frankly is an idiot. Either that or they're trying to kick up a fuss over nothing. If that's offensive then so is why did the hedgehog etc unreal tbh.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
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Nice change of direction, Gifter. It was getting too steamy on here.
What's the answer, Papercut?
Nice change of direction, Gifter. It was getting too steamy on here.
What's the answer, Papercut?
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
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Think collymore had it right, by people getting offended by things like this they devalue the whole racial equality movement, which has done a lot of good over the last 30 years to stamp out on the whole racism and give people of all origins equality.
Think collymore had it right, by people getting offended by things like this they devalue the whole racial equality movement, which has done a lot of good over the last 30 years to stamp out on the whole racism and give people of all origins equality.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
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Thats okay, i would expect nothing more or less from you as i dont know who you are. i am saying that your comment is an ignorant one. anyone that thinks a black person is an idiot for taking offense to someone calling another black person a monkey is an ignorant idiot. Sounds to me that they are just trying to downplay that some people who have had some harsh experiences should just move aside and let things slide, cause someone who probably has little idea thinks its funny it should be allowed to go unchallenged
not unreal, expected tbh
Thats okay, i would expect nothing more or less from you as i dont know who you are. i am saying that your comment is an ignorant one. anyone that thinks a black person is an idiot for taking offense to someone calling another black person a monkey is an ignorant idiot. Sounds to me that they are just trying to downplay that some people who have had some harsh experiences should just move aside and let things slide, cause someone who probably has little idea thinks its funny it should be allowed to go unchallenged
not unreal, expected tbh
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
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this is actually true, completely IMO, weird coming from you. but i dont speak for everyone...and i more than give someone permission to find that offensive...its dangerous landmine ground
this is actually true, completely IMO, weird coming from you. but i dont speak for everyone...and i more than give someone permission to find that offensive...its dangerous landmine ground
johnola
Jermaine Jenas
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
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This makes sense to me.
In a way a false equivalency can get established.
One of the quotes from Collymore's his twitter:
Some others here: https://twitter.com/StanCollymore
African: Does that qualify within your requirements to what you asked on the previous page?
This makes sense to me.
In a way a false equivalency can get established.
One of the quotes from Collymore's his twitter:
Some others here: https://twitter.com/StanCollymore
African: Does that qualify within your requirements to what you asked on the previous page?
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
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which bit about what i said?
edit:- if you mean someone condemning people for taking offence...i'm actually still yet to see someone of black ethnic decent get ****ed off at another black guy for taking offense to it. thats the bit i dont get
why get peeved that someone might find that offensive?
which bit about what i said?
edit:- if you mean someone condemning people for taking offence...i'm actually still yet to see someone of black ethnic decent get ****ed off at another black guy for taking offense to it. thats the bit i dont get
why get peeved that someone might find that offensive?
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africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
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i dont even know how to navigate twitter , i'm reading it like a thread? LOL
i dont even know how to navigate twitter , i'm reading it like a thread? LOL