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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
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Re: Avb done (official)
Stayed late after the game yesterday and noticed levy's family had left but not him and this was at 7pm so thought something might be going down. I think the next 4 games were winnable and he probably should have been given a bit more time but that defeat was crushing and there wasnt much heart. I think his system at home failed him aswell with one up top and some of the new players brought in have been poor so far and not responding, just wasnt working and too many mistakes.
Fingers crossed for Kloop but reckon we'll end up with Laudrup.
Stayed late after the game yesterday and noticed levy's family had left but not him and this was at 7pm so thought something might be going down. I think the next 4 games were winnable and he probably should have been given a bit more time but that defeat was crushing and there wasnt much heart. I think his system at home failed him aswell with one up top and some of the new players brought in have been poor so far and not responding, just wasnt working and too many mistakes.
Fingers crossed for Kloop but reckon we'll end up with Laudrup.
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Avb done (official)
I find myself torn on this one.
There were no signs that things were getting any better in terms of how the team were playing, the football was boring we looked like we weren't sure what we were doing or what we were meant to be doing. So correct decision.
But then, best start to the league, good points total, not that far off second, does that mean he should have been given the time to get it right.
I don't know.
The club has to take some of the blame for our slow decline back to mid-table mediocrity though. In the past ten years we have consistantly sold our best players whilst knowing that we are not struggling for money. We could have had a midfield of Bale, Carrick, Modric, Lennon with VDV and Berbatov up front had we forced those players to stay. That is a league challenging side, each of those players who were unhappy, would now be happy as they would be playing year in year out in the champions league by now.
I really do think we are the most frustrating club on the planet to support.
I find myself torn on this one.
There were no signs that things were getting any better in terms of how the team were playing, the football was boring we looked like we weren't sure what we were doing or what we were meant to be doing. So correct decision.
But then, best start to the league, good points total, not that far off second, does that mean he should have been given the time to get it right.
I don't know.
The club has to take some of the blame for our slow decline back to mid-table mediocrity though. In the past ten years we have consistantly sold our best players whilst knowing that we are not struggling for money. We could have had a midfield of Bale, Carrick, Modric, Lennon with VDV and Berbatov up front had we forced those players to stay. That is a league challenging side, each of those players who were unhappy, would now be happy as they would be playing year in year out in the champions league by now.
I really do think we are the most frustrating club on the planet to support.
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Avb done (official)
I think Levy is planning long term which is why he is insisting on the DoF model. The sacking of a coach shouldn't impact the club as badly as it would if we had a traditional structure. Obviously that didn't work too well with Comolli but Baldini comes with a far better reputation.
This is not about expectation being too high for me albeit sometimes we do run away with ourselves. Expecting better than losing 5-0 to a good (but not great) victims team, expecting better than a 6-0 mauling away to City and expecting better than a 3-0 home loss to a crowd of journeymen is not expecting too much. If we were where we are without those defeats and playing decent football, AVB would still be in a job. That we have teams absolutely murdering us because of AVB's tactics meant Levy had to pull the trigger. You don't continually bounce back from those sorts of hammerings. Levy saw the signs and did the right thing.
I think Levy is planning long term which is why he is insisting on the DoF model. The sacking of a coach shouldn't impact the club as badly as it would if we had a traditional structure. Obviously that didn't work too well with Comolli but Baldini comes with a far better reputation.
This is not about expectation being too high for me albeit sometimes we do run away with ourselves. Expecting better than losing 5-0 to a good (but not great) victims team, expecting better than a 6-0 mauling away to City and expecting better than a 3-0 home loss to a crowd of journeymen is not expecting too much. If we were where we are without those defeats and playing decent football, AVB would still be in a job. That we have teams absolutely murdering us because of AVB's tactics meant Levy had to pull the trigger. You don't continually bounce back from those sorts of hammerings. Levy saw the signs and did the right thing.
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Absolutely gutted.
Absolutely gutted.
charlietheyid
Banned
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That was expected to be honest, and I cant recall a sacking that was deserved. The guy didnt have a clue.
I am quite sad for him because he is a nice guy, has never played football, so it is quite sad he gets the sack twice.
I think he probably had lost the dressing room in the last few weeks/month. Think about Ade, when you lose Ade, you lost an important character in the dressing room.
Vertonghen didnt really seem very happy either in the last few weeks and LLoris wasnt keen on avb at all for the fiasco at the start of last season.
The football played at home was awful, I mean we could not put two passes together... Not even two..
That was expected to be honest, and I cant recall a sacking that was deserved. The guy didnt have a clue.
I am quite sad for him because he is a nice guy, has never played football, so it is quite sad he gets the sack twice.
I think he probably had lost the dressing room in the last few weeks/month. Think about Ade, when you lose Ade, you lost an important character in the dressing room.
Vertonghen didnt really seem very happy either in the last few weeks and LLoris wasnt keen on avb at all for the fiasco at the start of last season.
The football played at home was awful, I mean we could not put two passes together... Not even two..
Robbo
Paul Walsh
Re: ***The Official AVB Discussion Thread***
That is a very good point. Humiliating as it is, I'd prefer the two 0-5 and 0-6 losses to four 0-1/0-2 losses any day. Had AVB been allowed to continue, and we made fourth, no one on here would even remember, let alone care about the victims and City games.
That is a very good point. Humiliating as it is, I'd prefer the two 0-5 and 0-6 losses to four 0-1/0-2 losses any day. Had AVB been allowed to continue, and we made fourth, no one on here would even remember, let alone care about the victims and City games.
lurker of old
Ramon Vega
Re: ***The Official AVB Discussion Thread***
They're a good side but they're nowhere near as good as we made them look.
And that is part of the problem. Another issue is that we are overloaded with midfielders, and we can neither defend not score goals. Even before yesterday, people were complaining that AVB's Spurs were DULL. And to be dull when winning and awful when losing is too much.
They're a good side but they're nowhere near as good as we made them look.
And that is part of the problem. Another issue is that we are overloaded with midfielders, and we can neither defend not score goals. Even before yesterday, people were complaining that AVB's Spurs were DULL. And to be dull when winning and awful when losing is too much.
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me too.
Up till now, I have I have also supported Levy, but really. We will be once again on a merry-go-round. Director of football, rubbish idea (again).
As for Sherwood, that guy should be no where near the club.
me too.
Up till now, I have I have also supported Levy, but really. We will be once again on a merry-go-round. Director of football, rubbish idea (again).
As for Sherwood, that guy should be no where near the club.
Robbo
Paul Walsh
Re: Avb done (official)
The guy who takes over now, will be Spurs' 20th manager in the PL era (if he's a new guy).
That's more than any other club. Two more than Chelski, one more than Saudi Sportswashing Machine.
Apart from Wenger (17 seasons), Pardew (3 seasons) and Allardyce (2 seasons), no other PL manager has now been in charge of their clubs for more than one full season. Madness.
The guy who takes over now, will be Spurs' 20th manager in the PL era (if he's a new guy).
That's more than any other club. Two more than Chelski, one more than Saudi Sportswashing Machine.
Apart from Wenger (17 seasons), Pardew (3 seasons) and Allardyce (2 seasons), no other PL manager has now been in charge of their clubs for more than one full season. Madness.
clownfoot
Goran Bunjevcevic
Re: Avb done (official)
I don't quite know where this story has come from, but then again I don't quite know what Tim Sherwood does at the club. Say he was to get the job, however, the one plus side is we won't be playing in the Europa League next season
I don't quite know where this story has come from, but then again I don't quite know what Tim Sherwood does at the club. Say he was to get the job, however, the one plus side is we won't be playing in the Europa League next season
Robbo
Paul Walsh
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Like playing badly for a while, then playing better after allowong the manager some time?
Like playing badly for a while, then playing better after allowong the manager some time?
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
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It was a unique situation with those losses, in that it wasn't part of a consistently bad run of form and that there were good wins and performances sandwiched in between, with the players still clearly trying to implement what they are told to do. If it was one after the other I'd be more likely to agree that he's lost the players and it was never going to work.
As it is, it was just crazy inconsistency which is to be expected with a lot of combustible elements at play -massive expectations, lots of new signings, foreign players etc.
Just an entirely pointless sacking and ultimately an entirely pointless appointment if you ask me. No point in ever hiring him if he was never going to be allowed to see something through. We end up with Laudrup and it will be completely uninspiring if you ask me. He's decent, he would do a good job and we'd play some nice stuff but I don't think we shoot above and beyond where we are now.
It was a unique situation with those losses, in that it wasn't part of a consistently bad run of form and that there were good wins and performances sandwiched in between, with the players still clearly trying to implement what they are told to do. If it was one after the other I'd be more likely to agree that he's lost the players and it was never going to work.
As it is, it was just crazy inconsistency which is to be expected with a lot of combustible elements at play -massive expectations, lots of new signings, foreign players etc.
Just an entirely pointless sacking and ultimately an entirely pointless appointment if you ask me. No point in ever hiring him if he was never going to be allowed to see something through. We end up with Laudrup and it will be completely uninspiring if you ask me. He's decent, he would do a good job and we'd play some nice stuff but I don't think we shoot above and beyond where we are now.
Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
Re: Avb done (official)
I do feel for the guy. He seemed genuine and very likeable, but for whatever reason what he was trying to do with us wasn't working.
Maybe it would work better on the continent, which is why we seem to do so well against European teams.
I do feel for the guy. He seemed genuine and very likeable, but for whatever reason what he was trying to do with us wasn't working.
Maybe it would work better on the continent, which is why we seem to do so well against European teams.
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Wow what an incredible but sad photograph. A nice distraction from the ongoing turmoil.
This club is.....
Do not get this club sometimes. The man really promised so much and should've been given one more strike, yet we're now going to have to pay him until 2015, money that would've been better spent on players. No one ever seemed to dislike him in the dressing room bar BAE and Ade.
Honestly feel for him.
Thanks for the efforts you made to try change an unchangeable club from bottlers to winners. Good luck for the future.
Wow what an incredible but sad photograph. A nice distraction from the ongoing turmoil.
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We won some in between those heavy defeats, but I wouldn't say they were anywhere near good performances.
We won some in between those heavy defeats, but I wouldn't say they were anywhere near good performances.